The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 To me Cypher appears to be a man shoruded in mystery (if he was around since the first order of the lion he must be at Least 10k years old) I wonder, if he is an actual child of the emperor prompted to the first legions gene seed ranks ( a literal brother of the primarchs) sent to watch over the first of his kind and to put into action the teaching of his farther (the emperor) to subtly maintain the laws of the first legion in the absence of his brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer of Redemption Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 According to Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels, the Lord Cypher is a position within the Order from Caliban. The Lord Cypher at the time of Fallen Angels is a Calibanite, and is describe as having two pistols, matching the other descriptions of Cypher that have appeard (I'm only about halfway into Fallen Angels, so there may be something I missed). Other than that, there isn't much else that is known about him, though stories of him appear now and them. As an interesting side not, if you look for the Cypher model on GW's site (it's under Chaos Space Marine HQ) the description is "Cypher-The Fallen Angel: Undefined". Even GW wants to keep him a mystery. --BoR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Bloodhowl Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Bringer of Redemption is right, the Lord Cypher was a rank in the Order on Caliban. The bearer of the title was inducted in secrecy by El'Jonson (spelling?) himself, and gave up his identity entirely. The Lord Cypher was charged with keeping the Orders traditions and relics, and did indeed wield dual pistols. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Cypher is an enigmatic and sinister character. He appears as if from nowhere, bringing death and destruction with him, and then vanishes just as abruptly as he appeared. Strangely, it is rare that Cypher himself instigates the violent acts that invariably occur when he is present, it is rather that he seems to act as a catalyst which fans any feelings of hatred or mistrust into a raging, uncontrollable fire. asCypher rarely speaks, and when he does his tones are clipped and his words few. No one knows his real name, and no one in living memory has dared ask him what it might be. However, the occasional glimpse of the dark green power armour beneath the long robes that Cypher wears means there can be no doubt that he is one of the Fallen. In many ways he epitomises their fate, being cursed to wander through time and space, never to be able to return home. However, there are some who whisper that Cypher may in fact represent the Fallen Angels' only chance of redemption, and that his seemingly random appearances hide a pattern which reveals that he is slowly moving across the galaxy towards Earth and the Emperor himself. They also point to the fact that Cypher carries a sword which he never draws or uses in combat, and that this could be the fabled Lion Sword, wielded by Lion El'Jonson himself, and thought lost forever following the Primarch's final confrontation with the arch-heretic Luther. Whatever the truth of this, it is certainly the case that if he is ever in one place for any amount of time then his presence seems to attract others of the Fallen, though none know how they are able to find him or why they gather. Probably because of this, the members of the Dark Angels Inner Circle hate and fear Cypher more than any other Fallen Angel, and would willingly perform almost any act no matter how vile in order to capture or kill him. That they have so far not managed to do so speaks volumes of Cypher's almost supernatural prowess and ability to escape capture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Many don't know, but Cypher is not even a true Dark Angel. He is the last surviving Luna Wolf placed in the position by the Lion himself during the purge of Caliban. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Many don't know, but Cypher is not even a true Dark Angel. He is the last surviving Luna Wolf placed in the position by the Lion himself during the purge of Caliban. Is this really true? This is the first I have herd of this. Where is the source of this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Many don't know, but Cypher is not even a true Dark Angel. He is the last surviving Luna Wolf placed in the position by the Lion himself during the purge of Caliban. Is this really true? This is the first I have herd of this. Where is the source of this? He is the last Knight of Lupus. It's in "Fallen Angels"....The Lion gave him the position instead of Master Remiel who they all thought would get it. The reason for this probably has to do with all the secrets texts taken from the base of the Knights of Lupus when they were defeated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The stupid thing about it is that in both GW's description, and painted model, he is shown having Dark Green Power armour. Surely it should be Black? I love the fact that Cypher is such a mystery Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2649987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummus Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 how does being a knight of lupus make cypher part of the black legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Probably a mistake by pueriexdeus that could be quoting from memory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 serious? cypher is the last of lupercal? well than means he bears untainted gene seed of the warmaster himself and the sword of the primarch first legion. If what i heards true maybe theres a theatrical section beehind it. (as in traitor legion loyalists fighting loyalist legions traitors) tounge twister for ya :P But over all is there anythign else stated in books or articles which may better help us uncover cypher? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arioch Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 serious? cypher is the last of lupercal? well than means he bears untainted gene seed of the warmaster himself and the sword of the primarch first legion. If what i heards true maybe theres a theatrical section beehind it. (as in traitor legion loyalists fighting loyalist legions traitors) tounge twister for ya :P But over all is there anythign else stated in books or articles which may better help us uncover cypher? No, no, no! Cypher has nothing to do with the sons of Horus, as stated before he is the last surviving member of the knigths of Lupus one of Calibans knigthly orders. His genseed is that of the Lion. If you want to know more about him, I recommend you read the book "Fallen Angels", which is the best source for him so far. It is important to mention that although this book has shed a little light on the mysterious Cypher, his motives and his loyalties are still unknown. Is he a servant of chaos, or is he loyal to the Lion and the Emperor? We may never know. I believe him to be Clint Eastwood ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Darius Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 serious? cypher is the last of lupercal? well than means he bears untainted gene seed of the warmaster himself and the sword of the primarch first legion. If what i heards true maybe theres a theatrical section beehind it. (as in traitor legion loyalists fighting loyalist legions traitors) tounge twister for ya :P But over all is there anythign else stated in books or articles which may better help us uncover cypher? No, no, no! Cypher has nothing to do with the sons of Horus, as stated before he is the last surviving member of the knigths of Lupus one of Calibans knigthly orders. His genseed is that of the Lion. If you want to know more about him, I recommend you read the book "Fallen Angels", which is the best source for him so far. It is important to mention that although this book has shed a little light on the mysterious Cypher, his motives and his loyalties are still unknown. Is he a servant of chaos, or is he loyal to the Lion and the Emperor? We may never know. I believe him to be Clint Eastwood ;) Correct. The ending of Fallen Angels is screaming for a third book. The lion has not yet returned to Caliban. A LOT of things could be feared up if they do a third DA HH book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 serious? cypher is the last of lupercal? well than means he bears untainted gene seed of the warmaster himself and the sword of the primarch first legion. If what i heards true maybe theres a theatrical section beehind it. (as in traitor legion loyalists fighting loyalist legions traitors) tounge twister for ya ;) But over all is there anythign else stated in books or articles which may better help us uncover cypher? No, no, no! Cypher has nothing to do with the sons of Horus, as stated before he is the last surviving member of the knigths of Lupus one of Calibans knigthly orders. His genseed is that of the Lion. If you want to know more about him, I recommend you read the book "Fallen Angels", which is the best source for him so far. It is important to mention that although this book has shed a little light on the mysterious Cypher, his motives and his loyalties are still unknown. Is he a servant of chaos, or is he loyal to the Lion and the Emperor? We may never know. I believe him to be Clint Eastwood ;) yeesh dont bust an artery! thanks for the info still :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 how does being a knight of lupus make cypher part of the black legion? Not black legion, but black armour. Dark angels wore black power armour before heresy, as a fallen Cypher should also wear black armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 how does being a knight of lupus make cypher part of the black legion? Not black legion, but black armour. Dark angels wore black power armour before heresy, as a fallen Cypher should also wear black armour. Unless he wants to believed that he is a Dark Angel, or wants to blend in with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Cypher is an accursed traitor and heretic. What more do we need to know? On a serious note, the Cypher legend has been around forever. No one actually knows who he is, although the Dark Angels books do seem to suggest that he is a member of the chapter council. GW are being intentionally vague about the whole thing including the rumour that he carries the Lion Sword, which would suggest that he was present when Luther and Lion El Jonson fought. Personally, i just want to kill him (after he repents of course) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Probably a mistake by pueriexdeus that could be quoting from memory. Yep I'll take the hit and accept responsibility. I was quoting from memory. The correct entry is Knights of Lupus, not Luna Wolves, sorry... :) But hey Luna, Lupus, Wolves, they all do kinda mesh together in the far recesses of my mind. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2650806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 hes also protected by something of power. weither its the 5th chaos god or the emperors powers nobody knows... he also i think has a cttan phase knife if i rember correctly... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2653019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 hes also protected by something of power. weither its the 5th chaos god or the emperors powers nobody knows... he also i think has a cttan phase knife if i rember correctly... I thought I read somewhere that when ever he is about to Die, The Chaos Gods sweep him away and he gets saved that way. So I am wondering if he is the original Cypher and it's the Chaos Gods who keep him alive for what ever reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2653398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I havnt read that anywhere... Hes such an enigma, no one really knows who he is anymore. he just...Cypher... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2653606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 C:CSM V3, Copyright GW 1999. PG 25... Divine protection: unknown Chaos Power spirits him away,,, 4+/3D6,,, may be taken after armor save,,, wounds reduced to 0,,, no VP... I believe this Codex was the first to have a Cypher data sheet. Am still digging around in my archives to see if there was any more, but I doubt it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221742-cypher/#findComment-2653678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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