Roesor Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I know a character can be targeted specifically in combat, meaning that I cannot allocate wounds to any attached squad or command squad (actually I'm not sure about the command squad or retinues, apparently the IC rule gets suspended or something?) anyhooooo if someone targets 'the squad' or gives no specification, can I allocate wounds on the charcter also? Also do I HAVE to if there are more wounds than squad members? And can they specify that the wounds are squad only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 No, the character is like an entirely seperate unit. This works both ways. There are no retinues in C:SM or C:BA. So if you play either of those armies you dont need to worry about it. Some common ones include C:Tau, where drones and bodygaurds are not uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 So if there are more wounds than squad members and my opponent didn't designate a target or simply said 'The squad' I cannot be forced to, or of my own violition, put wounds on any attached charcaters? Unless it's specifically a retinue or bodyguard, which suspends the IC rule altogether? Also with that, say with an Inquistor and retinue, taking wounds, if I choose to allocate to the inquisitor from shooting attacks and deliberately kill him off first, and then the squad, is that only 1KP instead of the 2KP you would normally get for killing a retinue and then the independant character afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes- if your opponent didnt chance the attacks on the character he doesnt get the benefits, no matter how well he kills the squad. For the latter, he 'counts as an upgrade character' until hes the last person in the squad. So, as one random member of any one unit hed not give up his won Killpoint, RAW. Kind of how like tau gundrones, let loose from their vehicles, become their own unit worth its own KP. But if the vehicle is destroyed they go with it, counting as part of the vehicle and thus not a KP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yes- if your opponent didnt chance the attacks on the character he doesnt get the benefits, no matter how well he kills the squad. For the latter, he 'counts as an upgrade character' until hes the last person in the squad. So, as one random member of any one unit hed not give up his won Killpoint, RAW. Kind of how like tau gundrones, let loose from their vehicles, become their own unit worth its own KP. But if the vehicle is destroyed they go with it, counting as part of the vehicle and thus not a KP. I thought they counted as Passengers in all ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hmm.... yeah, it does say they are treated as passengers for the purposes of vehicle damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hmm.... yeah, it does say they are treated as passengers for the purposes of vehicle damage. Its why people dont like pirhanas or the gun drones in general. Suddenly you've got like 14 Kill points extra on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Ta ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Worth noting that any opposing models that were only in base-to-base with your IC must attack the IC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Unless they were 2 inches away from a model who was in base contact with the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Unless they were 2 inches away from a model who was in base contact with the squad? No, you must attack the unit you are in B2B with. This is in the main rulebook errata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Ooo. But tbh if your are in b2b with a character attached to a sqaud then you are usually in contact with the sqaud also because of the base size. I also leafed through the rulebook and found that a charcter with a retinue, despite suspending the IC rule, still gives you two killpoints. It's on the summary pages at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Grey Mage pointed it out so I thought I would add to the list. There are no Retinues in the BT codex either. Despite the command squads filling the criteria for a Retinue the Character rules specifically deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Grey Mage pointed it out so I thought I would add to the list. There are no Retinues in the BT codex either. Despite the command squads filling the criteria for a Retinue the Character rules specifically deny it. I Thought the Character Rules just said they acted like an IC? and an IC with a retinue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 It says they do not stop being an IC for the purposes of CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If a character has a retinue, the character and his unit are worth 1 kill point each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Aye I already noticed the disclaimer on our command squads in the black templar character section, shame really, some people still try to claim it with Helbrecht though as his does actualy say 'retinue'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 It says they do not stop being an IC for the purposes of CC Do you have an exact quote? Cause I was pretty sure it was something like "Function as ICs in close combat." which an IC with a retinue functions as an upgrade character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not our templar command sqauds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not our templar command sqauds. *Sigh* In absence of anyone else stepping up I found the rule myself BT Codex, pg 22, Black Templar Characters: "A character who is leading or attached to a squad does not stop being an independent character for the purposes of close combat." Have you considered that an Independant Character in a retinue is still an IC they just work like an Upgrade character? This sentence just looks like its reiterating a fact to me. An IC is an IC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Um, I KNEW the rule. >_> Can we close this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Not our templar command sqauds. *Sigh* In absence of anyone else stepping up I found the rule myself BT Codex, pg 22, Black Templar Characters: "A character who is leading or attached to a squad does not stop being an independent character for the purposes of close combat." Have you considered that an Independant Character in a retinue is still an IC they just work like an Upgrade character? This sentence just looks like its reiterating a fact to me. An IC is an IC. Yes, we have discussed this ad nauseum in our subform. No an IC with a retinue is not still an IC. They "count as an upgrade character until all of the other squad members are killed, at which point they start counting as and IC and will do so for the rest of the game." BT characters are always an IC in CC. You can't count as an upgrade character and be an IC at the same time. They have contradicting rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Yes, we have discussed this ad nauseum in our subform. No an IC with a retinue is not still an IC. They "count as an upgrade character until all of the other squad members are killed, at which point they start counting as and IC and will do so for the rest of the game." BT characters are always an IC in CC. You can't count as an upgrade character and be an IC at the same time. They have contradicting rules Wouldn't a rule such as Dante's Death Mask for example still effect the IC with a retinue despite the fact he is in a retinue? My understanding was just that they were still an IC but for making attacks they worked like an Upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not familiar with that rule, however, IC's with a retinue are not still IC's. They may not leave the unit, and since they count as an upgrade character they can't be targeted in CC. Those are basically the only two rules that make an IC an IC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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