Ecritter Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I gave you name suggestions!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 I gave you name suggestions!! Yes and as I stated at the time, old Padawan, I didn't really take to any of them.. Now I'm looking for suggestions from a wider audience ;) Also, don't bold at me! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Stone Knives Stone Blades Both work for me :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Stone KnivesStone Blades Both work for me ;) Well you work for me, dammit, and don't you forget it... :P Iron Spears Came to mind, but I have this "Iron ______" tendancy. The thing is, "Stone _____" doesn't add anything.. There are no links to anything stone so my mind rebels against it; I know the Chapter name doesn't have to/shouldn't fit the character of the Chapter but it still sounds wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) "see list" Blades Obsidian Onyx Crystal Jade any Gem etc ... And remember, the link is the fact that Saxon comes from "stone knives". Edited February 11, 2011 by Ecritter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 And remember, the link is the fact that Saxon comes from "stone knives". I know, but - to paraphrase Ace - these aren't really Saxons in Space... So it still doesn't ring true. I'm going to have to bash my head against the wall and see what falls out.. Who knew that so far the hardest part would be the name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) I had like a list of 15 and the inter-webs ate it, so I'll try to remember War Gauntlets War Blades Angels of Annihilation Lords of Cataclysm Forge Wardens Iron Sentinels Iron Watch Iron Consuls Sorry...all I can recreate from memory. The word Nexus kept coming up...the center of all linkages. If you can find a way to use it, it would certainly be unique. Edited February 11, 2011 by Marshal Renatus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Denoria's Sons Knights of Denoria Burning Souls Chained Knights The Chained The Links The Council Iron Counsels The Linked Chained Angels am I close now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 CJJ you are much more likely to be inspired by your chapter if you are the one that comes up with the name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2655979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'm going to have to bash my head against the wall and see what falls out.. Who knew that so far the hardest part would be the name. I am sorry to say that you have failed to learn from the experiences of others (ie: Me) and must face the same challenge. You could always call them the Iron Chains. Alternatively, this could inspire you, even if it's not distinctly Saxon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Sons of Prometheus. Unless you can think of another chained up figure. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Sons of Prometheus. Unless you can think of another chained up figure. :P :: Looks at the Salamanders :: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 So change the geneseed. The White Scars aren't that Saxony anyway. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) CJJ you are much more likely to be inspired by your chapter if you are the one that comes up with the name. Aye, but generally speaking the name is something I have coming in.. With this I'm finding it really hard so I seek inspiration. I'm going to have to bash my head against the wall and see what falls out.. Who knew that so far the hardest part would be the name. I am sorry to say that you have failed to learn from the experiences of others (ie: Me) and must face the same challenge. You could always call them the Iron Chains. I didn't click that link.. But from quoting it I see it's Yu Gi Oh related and you should be ashamed of yourself! ^_^ Sons of Prometheus. Unless you can think of another chained up figure. ;) :: Looks at the Salamanders :: So change the geneseed. The White Scars aren't that Saxony anyway. :) Aye, but the Scars bring that whole "tribal" thing ready made which fits in more easily than explaining why Salamanders decided that diverging from the Codex was not a problem. Last night as I attempted to sleep - unaided by cheap white wine - I had the thought that perhaps throughout Imperial archives the Chapter is only known by its number? They are so fractious they couldn't all stick with a single name, as loyalty is first to their warband and then to the Chapter. EDIT: This could then go even further so that each warband uses only that dark grey that I like as a central colour, so any type of accents - like pauldron trim in a Codex Company - are entirely up to the whims of the Chief. Edited February 12, 2011 by Captain Juan Juarez Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I don't know if so much of a divide will work. For one, they stop being an Astartes chapter and starting being 1,000 super-humans with big guns and cool toys who just happen to live on the same planet. If there is no central sense of brotherhood and belonging, then they don't "feel" like space marines anymore. Look at the SWs, they may compete against each other, but at the end of the day they'd all die to preserve another company's colors, or wargear, etc. Second, as has been stated many times, differet is okay, but it's how different and who sees it that can get you in trouble. No central unity,of any kind, could be a real issue for them. I could see this as being either very unaccepted by members of the =I=. *ducks behind couch*It also feel like you're turning them into SW a tad bit. The beliefs are different, but I get this uncontrollable thought in my head that says "They're Space Wolves, only different." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I don't know if so much of a divide will work. For one, they stop being an Astartes chapter and starting being 1,000 super-humans with big guns and cool toys who just happen to live on the same planet. If there is no central sense of brotherhood and belonging, then they don't "feel" like space marines anymore. Look at the SWs, they may compete against each other, but at the end of the day they'd all die to preserve another company's colors, or wargear, etc. Second, as has been stated many times, differet is okay, but it's how different and who sees it that can get you in trouble. No central unity,of any kind, could be a real issue for them. I could see this as being either very unaccepted by members of the =I=. *ducks behind couch*It also feel like you're turning them into SW a tad bit. The beliefs are different, but I get this uncontrollable thought in my head that says "They're Space Wolves, only different." Not at all. Of course you see similarities to the Space Wolves, you would do.. As with beliefs alot of cultures have close - if not identical - practices. In fact the beliefs are similar to what you will find through Norse religions of ages past.. The Norse, Germanic tribes and alot of other geographically close peoples all had different names for the same aspects of religion. The iconography/colours ideas are no diffferent to different Company colours or heraldry displayed by Templar Crusades. There is central unity.. But that unity is only displayed when something threatens the Chapter; these warbands are all self-contained units, they have no real need to interact even though they do when the duel for recruits or for the honour of prosecuting a certain action. The thing is, the loyalty to warband is something that every Marines practices - they are loyal to their Company first, though it never gets said. In my mind I imagine that there are few words for "friend" in the native language of Denoria, but half a dozen for "enemy".. Which each warband seeing the others as a rival for glory and honour; their warband is their brothers, the other warbands are their cousins.. They are still "family" but within that family such bonds are viewed differently. An Inquisitor who comes sniffing will find a very much united front. Edited February 12, 2011 by Captain Juan Juarez Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Do you see these "Saxons" like my Sons (5 independent companies until called together), or do you have a different plan? EDIT: And you didn't say anything about my new names suggestions ;) Edited February 12, 2011 by Ecritter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Do you see these "Saxons" like my Sons (5 independent companies until called together), or do you have a different plan? EDIT: And you didn't say anything about my new names suggestions ;) Think of in terms of a sports team: Day to day you may not like everyone you have to play with, but you sweat and bleed with them and that goes beyond "love" or "hate". You see them when you're out on the town, you may not even say hello.. But if you see someone pounding on them then you step it, because you're teammates. Generally the warbands will go about their business without much in the way of interaction, the odd duel may be fought for a new batch of recruits but during times of - relative - quite they keep to their Halls and go about their business. A fly-on-the-wall may assume this is a sign of disharmony, that there is something brewing in the heart of the Chapterto divide them, but if an Inquisitor arrived or Orks tried to invade then they would find 1000 grey armoured Marines united in seeking their death. The idea is that they are a Chapter, but unless they need to be seen to act as a Chapter then this is a secondary issue to conducting their wars. EDIT: Im thinking of just randomly picking a name and then ignoring it, as each identifies with their warband unless they need to be united.. "Sons of Denoria" came to mind, but GHY has "Blazing Sons" and I don't to look like I'm ripping him off. Edited February 12, 2011 by Captain Juan Juarez Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 So normally they'd do combat operations together, just when not in combat they don't interact closely then? Do you see these "Saxons" like my Sons (5 independent companies until called together), or do you have a different plan? EDIT: And you didn't say anything about my new names suggestions ;) Think of in terms of a sports team: Day to day you may not like everyone you have to play with, but you sweat and bleed with them and that goes beyond "love" or "hate". You see them when you're out on the town, you may not even say hello.. But if you see someone pounding on them then you step it, because you're teammates. Generally the warbands will go about their business without much in the way of interaction, the odd duel may be fought for a new batch of recruits but during times of - relative - quite they keep to their Halls and go about their business. A fly-on-the-wall may assume this is a sign of disharmony, that there is something brewing in the heart of the Chapterto divide them, but if an Inquisitor arrived or Orks tried to invade then they would find 1000 grey armoured Marines united in seeking their death. The idea is that they are a Chapter, but unless they need to be seen to act as a Chapter then this is a secondary issue to conducting their wars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 So normally they'd do combat operations together, just when not in combat they don't interact closely then? If required they operate together but you wouldn't generally see parts of Warbands during a single campaign; if it needs seven "squads" then a single Warband would be dispatched. They will duel over anything; who gets to fight the Orks at Randomly Named World #7, who gets Star Recruit #1 or even who gets first use of the Wii.. But these are not bar room brawls, they are bouts to first blood to honour their foe as much as themselves. For these guys war and battle is a way of life, even before induction.. Martial ability and paying the Iron Price are all that counts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 *ducks behind couch*It also feel like you're turning them into SW a tad bit. The beliefs are different, but I get this uncontrollable thought in my head that says "They're Space Wolves, only different." Actually, they are Iron Hands with White Scars nature thrown in for good measure. @Captain Juan Juarez Where is the promised IA? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) *ducks behind couch*It also feel like you're turning them into SW a tad bit. The beliefs are different, but I get this uncontrollable thought in my head that says "They're Space Wolves, only different." Actually, they are Iron Hands with White Scars nature thrown in for good measure. @Captain Juan Juarez Where is the promised IA? :lol: Well there's a Beliefs section? I keep getting sidetracked by things like the name, colour scheme or people not understanding the full magnitude of my awesome ideas. Also, I feel the need to vomit but it just won't come... I'll be working in the next couple days - two whole days off work, I couldn't believe it! - on getting something more substantial down though.. At least the Origins, Genessed and Battlecry because they are entirely easy :lol: Edited February 12, 2011 by Captain Juan Juarez Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 If you are going to go with a boring name you might as well give it some teeth for crying out loud! Warlords of Denoria :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2656921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) And remember, the link is the fact that Saxon comes from "stone knives". That is not right. Saxon is thought to mean two things "from saxony" and possibly "swordsman" but definately not stone knives. Infact that is the first time i have ever heard "stone knives" linked to the Saxons and a large part of my history degree was about about them... @Captain Juan Juarez - The beliefs section is pretty good. :) Edited February 13, 2011 by Pulse Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2657704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 And remember, the link is the fact that Saxon comes from "stone knives". That is not right. Saxon is thought to mean two things "from saxony" and possibly "swordsman" but definately not stone knives. Infact that is the first time i have ever heard "stone knives" linked to the Saxons and a large part of my history degree was about about them... Look it up ... I did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221834-ia-sons-of-denoria/page/2/#findComment-2657720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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