daboarder Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Basically lets have a discussion about the whic stormraven builds are peoples favourites and the various advantages and disadvantages associated with them. the 2 basic builds seem to be the Lascannon, multi melta which can fry a tank pretty well each trun, 2 tanks if your lucky. Or the TML, hurricane bolter, AC build that personally appeals to me for its ability to move 12 pop a transport with BSM's and then absolutely shred a unit inside with defensive weapon saturaion, it is of course more expensive and that is a serious downside for an AV12 skimmer. the other build I've thought of running is a bit of a strange one, Multi melta, PC: the idea is to keep moving 12 a turn and either blast a tank or transport with BSM's or the multi melta before hittin whatever gets out or another squad with tasty plasma, seems to suffer from a case of all rounder syndrome to me but it is the same pts as the dedicated anti tank SR and arguably as effective. so people what are your builds and thoughts? EDIT: as pointed out by jamesI my tactics are flawed unfortunately all shooting is done simultaneously and you cant nuke units inside transports after poping them with spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I got more magnets so I hopefully will be able to swap the weapons around as needed. But I expect Lascannon/multimelta will be a common armament. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'm using twinlinked assault cannons , twinlinked multi melta and extra armour. Quite effective against a variety of targets. The lascannon isn't incredibly wise in my opinion. You're buying the stormraven for its transport capacity , you don't want to be sitting back shooting with it for the duration of the game. If you want a gunboat , buy a Autocannon/lascanoon predator. Cheaper and more effective at its desinated role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Somerville Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Personally, if I ever field one (which I am disinclined to) I would go with TLAC, TLMM, and magnetize the Hurricane Bolters so I could swap them out. -Mike Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I feel extra armour is a mandatory upgrade. Having a vehicle that can move and shoot without fearing two of the six damage results is plus. Its best to keep the stormraven cheap , its going to die very fast , and if you're sitting back shooting with those guns ( which means you've no turbo boosting cover save to protect it) it will die ever quicker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 believe it or not, im using multimelta, hurricanes, and PLASMA CANNONS! :lol: If you think about it, anyone taking assault cannons would be better off taking plasma cannons for almost any given situation. Much better ap, higher strength, and the ability to hit more than four targets. With them being twin linked, the chance of scattering is much lower, and you re-roll wounds aswell. Pretty impressive. Also hurts vehicles more (sure the assault cannons rending is nice, but not as consistent as the plasmas.) Pop a transport with the melta, then blast the squad with plasma and hurricanes. If they are heavy infantry, such as terminators, then simply launch a few bloodstrikes at them aswell. Ive slightly converted my raven to not have the intake vent, or the manned turret, but simply a low profile automated turret, wih the plasmas on. ----- On a side note, tonight i am putting up a thread about my ultimate HQ squad, which is a terminator captain with claws, 5 termies, furioso dreadnought, all in the stormraven, which are all WIP. It will have lots of pictures of the new raven and dread kit, so look out for it ^_^ also some very sexy BA terminators. Needless to say, the thread will be mainly abouth the stormraven ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 biglou, you don't reroll wounds with twin linked plasma cannons. Also, its illegal to fire the meltas at a transport then fire the other guns at the passengers. All shooting happens simultaneously, so the passengers aren't on the board yet to be targeted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 biglou, you don't reroll wounds with twin linked plasma cannons. ;) Oh right, my mistake :lol: doesnt matter, most of the time you'll be rolling 2+ to wound anyways! ^_^ and about the passengers, im pretty sure that they DO disembark, after all, the vehicle they were just in blew up! And the PotMS rule allows you to target both the transport and passengers as a seperate unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 but you ahve to declare all the shooting at the same time. So you can't declare shooting with POTMS at targets not yet on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 but you ahve to declare all the shooting at the same time. So you can't declare shooting with POTMS at targets not yet on the board. Where is this in the rules? im slightly confused by this, in the description of the PotMS rules, it does not say that the two seperate units have to be targeted at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 but you ahve to declare all the shooting at the same time. So you can't declare shooting with POTMS at targets not yet on the board. This is correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I built one SR with TLAC, TLMM and Hurricanes and the other with TLLC and TLMM. One with tank/creature hunting in mind and the other for lots of bullets on-target. :) Might be some time before I paint them though, feeling a little BA-burnt-out this week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchyman99 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think I'm going to run one with TWLC,TML, for awesome long range firepower and with Bloodstrike Missile all weapons fire at 48" or better and crack armor. The other with TLHB,TWAC and HB, for troop mowing and Bloodstrike Missile for armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I run TLAC TLMM EA. comes in at 215 and is great for tank huntin and thinning out troops. Thinkin about tryin out the hurricane bolters though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think extra armor should be an always as is the twin linked multi-melta... who else can move 24" and popped off a BS4 twin linked multi-melta shot? I have been using the tiwn linked lascannon as well but will be switching over to twin linked assault cannon with Hurricane bolters. G :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Sky Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Ill have one with TLAC, TWMM and EA, painted in DC livery. The other two Will be with interchangeable turret weapons, TWMM and EA, and the option of taking Hurricane Bolters. EA is such an important upgrade for the raven compared to other vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 EA may as well be standard, the stormraven oughta have a base cost of 215. Your raven should always be able to move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thought I posted something about this but it didn't make it through it looks like. 2 with Extra armor, TLAC, TLMM. I'll have things magnetized so I can swap out, though if those aren't working. I have toyed with the TLLC idea on one of them and maybe hurricane bolters as well, but those will remain secondary options for now. For me, as lists go, I foresee using 2 or none, with one acting as a gunship/reserve (though not necessarily deployed in reserve) and the other as an aggressive assault element. I'm curious as to thoughts on a couple of tactics but I'll post those later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redo Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 EA may as well be standard, the stormraven oughta have a base cost of 215. Your raven should always be able to move. Gotta agree with that. Extra armour is pretty much mandatory. Weapons wise I like the TLAC AND TLMM. The way I see it is that my SR will often start the game in reserve if I do not get first turn. I will there fore be Turbo boosting it when it arrives and going for that coversave whilst attempting to take its occupents to where they are needed. Therefore only one weapon can fire and the short range is not going to be an issue with the SR. I will just choose the weapon that is most appropriate for the target I shooting at. After the passengers are disembarked I fancy that the SR will be trying to offload some of those missiles and may even slow down if enough enemy antitank is nullified and with POTMS the TLAC can select other targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Cuthbert Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I build with TL AC, TL MM, HurB, and EA. My Ravens carry assault squads with either a SP, Libby, or both depending on jump packs and a dread. So when I deliver them I keep the Raven nearby lending fire support. The AC & HurB just beat face on infantry and the MM is there to keep popping vehicles. The Raven dies in some games, but with an angry ass squad running amok with a S 10 Libby in tow and a dread lurking about, they tend to attract attention which allows the Raven to survive longer and inflict more damage. If the Raven attracts the fire then the ass squad and dread brings the pain. I usually run two in tandem at 1850 or higher with them mutually supporting each other. Other things like flaming Baals and drop pod dreads are the icing on the cake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'm running Plasma Cannon, Multimelta and hurricane. While I recomend AC as the generic all-round weapon I face allot of varied opponents and plasma is very good at things like power armour and nid gaunts running skirmish in front of tervigons (I HATE gaunst when they have feel no pain). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 i don't have one yet (but when i get my little break to come home after basic i'll be buying one :( ) but i'm gonna plan on making mine a dakka dakka raven and chase the infantry around the table. ass. cannons, hvy bolters, and hurricane bolters :lol: the more rounds down range the better...least that's how i see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I started building my SR today - although it was just sitting in the box since the release on saturday. However, Twin-linked assault-cannone and twin-linked multi-melta seems the best load-out for me, along with some extra armour. Why? Well, after boosting 24" the MM will pop a tank and the assault cannon can provide some suppressing fire in order to support the charging troops next turn. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2651961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherTim Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I am really surprised that no one seems to have considered the Typhoon missile/TLAC/HurB/EA combo. Think about it, you can move 12" and fire everything (frag typhoon is only str 4). That's 4 AC shots, 12 Bolters, and 2 Frag Missiles all while using POtMS to send blood strike missiles at armor. This is how I plan to run mine. Possibly with an assault or tactical squad inside (still undecided). The SR can pack a ton of infintry killing power. Granted it's 270pts with this load out, but being able to place that much firepower on any infintry unit in one turn from one source is devistating. Whats your take? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2652010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 You guys seem to be discounting the BSM's alot. I have one tau opponent for example that runs with 2 hammerheads and 3 BS's supported by suits and a pathfinder squad with kroot for objectives. Personally the thought of moving on 6 from reserve and smoking a hammerhead per raven is very appealing, especially as after that he should have a face full of DOA squads to deal with. That's why I like the dakka raven, mobile and will shred any infantry left on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/#findComment-2652018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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