HB66 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 ahhhh, mis read your earlier post then, - k makes sense then. - even with the one shot from the TLLC, i would think for tank hunting on the SR that would be a better choice for the turret, sense you have the st 9 HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2654447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah, you'd think, but that's now how the numbers actually work out;) 4 shots, even though in a lot of cases you need rending, are still a bit better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2654517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB66 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 So if your basically just hoping to kill something with your AC, why not just go with the PC? - its twin linked so your pretty sure of a hit - theres none of that partial hit stuff so you can get as many hits as the AC, if not more - and ST 7 does a better job of penetrating that side and rear armor I do really like AC; but i generally only take them on Term squads, theres so many more options on dreads and now the SR. HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2654833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Zid - - with twin linked, you can only shoot at one target, you jusst get to re roll your to hit. HB66 I know that? I mean I can shoot the TLLC at 1 tank, TLMM at a second... sorry if that sounded confusing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2654838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 So if your basically just hoping to kill something with your AC, why not just go with the PC? - its twin linked so your pretty sure of a hit - theres none of that partial hit stuff so you can get as many hits as the AC, if not more - and ST 7 does a better job of penetrating that side and rear armor I do really like AC; but i generally only take them on Term squads, theres so many more options on dreads and now the SR. HB66 Yeah, I understand your point, but I guess overall the flexibility of the AC is better for me. I was more focusing on a specific situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2655019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB66 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 makes total sense, - I really like the look of the AC so always wanna put them on my vehicles in stuff, i have to constantly stop and remind my self what i want to use the model for tactically so i dont let the fluff, "looks cool" part of my brain put AC's on everything LOL theres just soimething about multi barreled gatling cannons that is just totally awesome :P HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2655339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just played two quick games downtown today. Not official and they weren't really competitive, testing games, so I'm not adding them to my win count. I can affirmatively back up that TLAC is way more reliable AV and AI than the Las cannon. The 4 shots versus the one are the real game changer. Rolling a 6 also guarantees you'll pen 12 AV which was the bane of defilers the second game. First game I used the multi-melta and Las cannon. Las cannon kept failing pens all game, and with one shot that's annoying. Killed one Defiler and one Obliterator. The second game, oh god. The Raven's assault cannon killed 2 defilers and a whole mess of Rubric marines in the second game. I'm officially switching out the las cannon for the assault cannon, plus, it does look cooler. Glad I didn't build my model back in CT yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2655641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB66 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Nice intel on the AC vs LC - anyone out there got any games under their belt with the PC's ? - in theory i think they will work out great AV and AI, im just interested and want to compare how they play next to the AC's HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2655647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingareth Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I wouldn't count on much if you're not doing the play testing yourself. Not sure why someone would use the sub-par build... AC's are just simply better in every aspect except range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 this discusion exists because AC are NOT better than PC in everything but range....PC is better than AC when you consider AP, Range and number of hits...PC should tag 3-5 giving it an average of 4 same as the AC and when cost is not a factor that makes the PC a serious contender....I will however admit the AC has the PC in an anti armour role.....which is why I'll be doing my testing with AC's first. edit:....and i've just realised you talking bout LC's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurb Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 It is wrong to take PC's just because they are cool? I mean its plasma! It's a friggin LIGHTNING CANNON! ;) I think the best basic build is EA/MultiM/ACannon. It's the most versatile build and is more reliable against all AV. Worried about all those Assault Cannon shells flying into an engine intake tho... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 i know strength 8 isnt the best, but if your packin multi melta all ready and you have the SR speed i dont see why the LC would be needed.Added insurance for the tank kill. If you're going after a target, might as well make it overkill to ensure death. Plus, with no other lascannons in my army (and barely any meltaguns or AP2), I configure it for AT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Mike Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 inquisitor lenso, that 12 year old comment is increadibly rude towards people you've never met let alone played against, I give reasonable situations in which a player will bunch up and you remain insulting.....not cool bro. eh oh well. it was only aimed at kids so i don't rightly care much. Personally, I thought it was pretty funny myself. "I am 12 and what is a PC?" Anyways, I think if your using the SR for transporting stuff then the use of short ranged weapons would be best, but if you want it stay in back and pop heavy tanks and crap go with longer range weapons. Short Ranged: TL MM TL AC Hurricane Bolters Extra Armor Long Ranged: TL LC TML I think its as simple as that, make it excel at one role than make it okay at a bunch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 ]Added insurance for the tank kill. If you're going after a target, might as well make it overkill to ensure death. Plus, with no other lascannons in my army (and barely any meltaguns or AP2), I configure it for AT. Except, as mentioned many times in this thread and others, the TLAC is actually better anti-tank. The only advantage the LC gives is range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 inquisitor lenso, that 12 year old comment is increadibly rude towards people you've never met let alone played against, I give reasonable situations in which a player will bunch up and you remain insulting.....not cool bro. eh oh well. it was only aimed at kids so i don't rightly care much. Personally, I thought it was pretty funny myself. "I am 12 and what is a PC?" Anyways, I think if your using the SR for transporting stuff then the use of short ranged weapons would be best, but if you want it stay in back and pop heavy tanks and crap go with longer range weapons. Short Ranged: TL MM TL AC Hurricane Bolters Extra Armor Long Ranged: TL LC TML I think its as simple as that, make it excel at one role than make it okay at a bunch. I don't see the stormraven as beening designed as a long range gunship , its an assault vehicle which provides firesupport after it completes such a role , Its effective range lies in the >24" mark , where it can support troops/transport them late game for objective grabbing or as a brute force assault vehicle getting straight in your opponents face within the first two turns. It should not be used as something which sits back and shoots transports , its far too expensive to commit to such a role where it can die easily. An autocannon/lascannon predator does the role of long ranged anti tank far more effective and for a much more reasonable price tag , as well as being able to use cover far more effectively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadetta Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree with Corby's idea. Stormraven is overall an assault vehicle which unloads troops and go yum-yum. If this used as long range gunship your opponent would bring all the big guns onto this costly bird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 A Plasma Cannon will only ever hit more than 2 people if it doesn't score a hit. The template has a 1.5" diameter and coherency is 2" so someone with sense will be keeping their models apart when they can. Admittedly they are better vs things with a 2+ save, but that's it pretty much. Please believe that the StormRaven needs to live within 20" of whatever it wants to kill. There's no reason for it not to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astorath the Grim Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 A Plasma Cannon will only ever hit more than 2 people if it doesn't score a hit. The template has a 1.5" diameter and coherency is 2" so someone with sense will be keeping their models apart when they can. Admittedly they are better vs things with a 2+ save, but that's it pretty much. Please believe that the StormRaven needs to live within 20" of whatever it wants to kill. There's no reason for it not to. Yer plasma cannons must suck hard core then. I run a dev squad of 4 plasma cannons and they never fail to accomplish more then that on their own. Even someone with sense isn't always gonna be able to keep their models 2" apart. Is it necisarily better then the TL assault cannon, no not really, can it be? Deffinately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Well, you are talking about 4 PC in your Devs. That is a different story because the Raven has only one. 4 of a kind are always better than one. Same for missile launchers. One PC can be very effective, but in most cases the AC is more preferable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2656954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'd take 4 Assault Cannon over 4 Plasma Cannon too. ....spell-checking posts before you submit them would be nice also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 My chaos dreads pack PC and I never fail to clip 3-4 with a hit. Saying you should be spread is all well and good but if you read my previous post there are plenty of reasons why a squad is compact. Edit: that being said the AC is going to be the first arment I try ewdit 2: note to self....stop trying to post on an Iphone after beer... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingareth Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Your precious post, eh? Never realized that you were so partial to your own words. That said, I disagree with the idea that the Storm Raven should run up into <24" range. Between the Blood Strike Missiles, Lascannon, and even the Multi-Melta, it can do a real wonder on transports and squadrons for a turn or two, then once the coast is clear- the Hydras, Lootas, or Riflemen are dead- move up and drop off a Dread straight into a squad that was forced out of a transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Your precious post, eh? Never realized that you were so partial to your own words. That said, I disagree with the idea that the Storm Raven should run up into <24" range. Between the Blood Strike Missiles, Lascannon, and even the Multi-Melta, it can do a real wonder on transports and squadrons for a turn or two, then once the coast is clear- the Hydras, Lootas, or Riflemen are dead- move up and drop off a Dread straight into a squad that was forced out of a transport. By which time , any sane opponent would have shot it out of the sky using the units you mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobtank Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 from the 4 games ive played,it seems to work for me having it fly 24" and using machine spirit to shoot the multi melta and with its 12" for 2d6 pen rolls,you can hit anything on the other side of the board assuming we are playing on a typical sized one.but i do play the target saturation game by also drop podding a furioso in his lines. in 3 games my raven survives its 4+ saves or a shaken result,then the fun really begins,move 12" and let your guns blaze and deliver my lemartes and his crazies lol.and all the while my lasplas razors and predators pound his other stuff.i tend to play an agressive game (hey no guts no glory :) ) all the while my sr is not the meat of my plans,it gives my opponents something big to distract him,sure its expensive but when pulled off its awesome. now the time it got shot down by the opposition,my dc coy and dread ended up at least halfway across the board,beats walking,jumping or stranded when the rhino gets destroyed.oh and in one of the games i went second,the sr came in 3rd turn and did a lot of damage as well.i had a friend borrow my sr for a game and he tried the alpha stike tactic,some hits,some misses,failed to pen etc etc and get shot back,kaboom and your cargo starts at square one.btw getting back on topic i always run mm/tlac and its been working great for me.will try the other combinations and ger back here asap.overall i cannot stress how fun it is to have the sr,not for looks or the guns but just a very fun way to deliver your elite assault troops :) sorry for the long post btw.got carried away lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Greetings brothers, I don't know if any of you are intrested but i found a site with a storm raven conversion that you all might like. here it is: http://blog.spikeybits.com/2011/02/40k-hob...8Spikey+Bits%29 Hope you all like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221893-raven-builds/page/4/#findComment-2657867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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