Christian1138 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi all, I am currently planing to do a diorama for a Golden Demon Competition. My idea was that a rhino with Veterans would arrive at an amboush point, in which normal marines were ambushed by Kroot. The Diorama should consist of 6 Veterans, 7 Kroot, a Rhino and a wounded Marine beiing towed by a Veteran into the Rhino, while the others fight of the Kroot. One Veteran will be lying on top of the rhino with a heavy Bolter/ heavy stubber (I still need to find the pieces) using a Kroot corps as a "sandbag". The gunner of the rhino is dead. I wanted to use the models of the Sanguinary Guard for the Veterans. And a converted Grey Knight model for the Seargent. What do you think about this? Are there too many models? Any imporvements I could make? I will probably start the project in two weeks, because i still have my end of the year Exams (German Abitur) in the next two weeks. Thank you for your help. Christian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 you could always have maybe one or two kroot on the diorama, and have it look like the action is mainly taking part with just the marines, and the firing is just off scene. That could be alot more dramatic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherMoses Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 My first question is: Why Kroot? Second, I think the gaudiness of the Sanguinary Guard armor would take away from the emotion that the diorama attempts to instill. Don't you agree? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I like your idea in general. The way you described it - it should look good, especially the marine barricaded behind the "krootbags". But I don't share your idea of using Sanguinary Guard and a Grey Knight. Regular Sternguard Vets or Marines with DC bits should fit in better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is there a reason teh heavy weapon needs to be on top of the rhino?Because troops would tend to fall back to the HW position or past and then behind it.Plus there marines, and i think it would be more dramatic to see a standing marine laying down fire for his brothers to get to the Rhino, maybe even have him firing from just before the entrance ramp? As for sandbags, somethign bigger might be more realistic - remember that marines are 7 foot tall walking tanks - what about something like renegade ogryn? And lastly - what chapter are you considering? Because of the everyday nature of this Diorama, i would consider a regular Ultramarine tactical squad with the sergeant marked by teh traditional laurel on red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Can't wait to see this. I suppose it is Kroot as extreme contrast to the finely crafted BA, i.e. tatty, tribal and not red. You mean the SG as the basis for normal 1st company vets, I assume, so red with gold bits. A combination of that, DC more normal helmets and bolters, Sternguard with DC backpacks and add something like the new VV sergeant's sword to the Grey knight would look really impressive. A few kroot attacking from off the board rather than a lot clogging up the diorama would be more effective. How about one of theose gorilla things kroot heavy weapon troops ride around on as the sand bag? Might add to the feel the regular marines were being outgunned before the cavalry arrived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I think Kroot Make a good Juxtaposition to the Blood Angels. Kroot are the eaters of the Dead and Blood Angels inherently need live (at least momentarily) subjects to feed on their blood. Both have a strong sense of loyalty and family. Both are Super Humanly strong and fast. Both have only cursory understandings of their technology. But thats just me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thanks for the replys guys. I think that the Kroot number was realy to big ( now that you said it). I will post it down to 3 , 2 in close combat with 2 marines, the other jumping of the rhino, trying to kill the heavy weapon guy who will now cover the ramp. The jumping Kroot though will be shot by the wounded marine, who has a pistol and is beiing draged into the rhino. My first question is: Why Kroot? I will use Kroot, because I have lots of them, I like them (many underestimate them), and then I also think they are a contrast to the Marines and they look like creatures who would ambush a convoy and then still fight on, even if support would reach the ambush point. But I don't share your idea of using Sanguinary Guard and a Grey Knight. Regular Sternguard Vets or Marines with DC bits should fit in better. I do this because i only have AOBR models and the Sanguinary Guard and the Grey Knights (and some other few random space marines) are the only ones which look Veteran enough. I would paint them red with golden helmets and golden trims around their shoulder pads, maybe even colour the right shoulder pad gold. Can't wait to see this. Thanks. But I'm afraid you still have to wait a while. My end of the year exams start tomorrow :) and I have to study a lot. After that I will have 3 weeks time until normal exmas come again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 hmmm........how bigs the base our working with? and how would you class your skills? simply because id say have the rhino someway from the squad, the gunner of the rhino has a kroot standing over him chocking him with wire, allow the inside of the rhino to be visable with a dead marine pilot inside and the inner walls splashed with blood, then make a culdesac like setting with a few trees and rough terrain in which the kroot can be laid behind making them appear to be hunting their prey, have a veteran looking at a space marine helmet hainging from a tree with a possible kroot standing above him on a branch, others veterns looking around not suspecting the immediate danger unaware their rhino crew has been killed and even if they run, they would not make it far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2653937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sounds good. But I dont know if my Painting and especially Modeling is that good. I only paint good when I really have a lot of time. here are some pics of my painting. Maybe you can judge my painting by them. http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa432/Christian1138/MY%20BA%20MODELS/P1010271.jpg http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa432/Christian1138/MY%20BA%20MODELS/P1010280.jpg http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa432/Christian1138/MY%20BA%20MODELS/P1010284.jpg http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa432/Christian1138/MY%20BA%20MODELS/P1010275.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 id say thats fine :) just dont overcomplicte the set piece by detailing it, create a blank stickman template first to get an idea of what you would like, then simply improve on it piece by piece :) post you developments and then other people may be able to suggest good ideas or possible imporvements to make sure you take 1st place ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jux2p0ze Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I think it would be pretty sharp if you used a squad of Sternguard Vets. I imagine them wading through a firefight and being able to blast a controlled space to extract their wounded. If I made an attempt at it, they would be walking slowly with a few Kroot rushing at them headlong with maybe 1 or 2 vets using CQB techniques while the others are felling the assailants with their bolter SAWs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurb Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 How about one of theose gorilla things kroot heavy weapon troops ride around on as the sand bag? a Krootox would indeed be big enough for a marine model to "duck" behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMark Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 So you'll be up against the likes of GeOrc and company? You're a braver man than me, but you've got to be in it to win it! Make sure you use plenty of colour theory with your work eg. using green kroot to contrast with the red of bloodangels etc. Good luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 mmm, if it was me id want more of a command squad almost. cause then you could have a priest tending to wounded whilts the heavy weapons dude(though i suppose you could just have an attached priest) covers him using the rhino and the corpse as cover. im guessing haveing somehow immobilised the rhino they have had to pile out and await reinforcements? so priest helping the injured, heavy weapon covrin, sarge/ captain fighting alongside a regular guy, heavy shooting at who whilst the injured guy who the medic is working on pulls out his pistol and saves the gunner? so whys the rhino stopped? how about one of the bigger kruit used its claws and managed to rip front tracks out as he want down the side, injured a guy before being killed, by capt/ sarge, then used as cover by gunner as the medic helps the injured? perhaps the injured guy is the special weapon expert? and how injured? im thinking ripped off leg... also succesor chapter or main? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2654521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 I thought of him just beeing shoot in the chest a few times ( I dont know how fluff wise Kroot Rifles can damage Power Armour) and i also wanted to use the main chapter. And who is GeOrc. I only heard of him once I think and that was in a article. This will not be for the UK GD but for the GD of our local store in Hong Kong ( It has every category except I think large scale and Forgeworld. I dont have any details I just know that there will be the usual trophies but no slayer sword). is there also a regulation for Base sizes for Dioramas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2655351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMark Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hi, I thought you were based in Germany, not Hong Kong! Anyways he's a german painter, and here's a link of his work. he's a multi, to my knowledge, GoldenDaemon winner and has got mad skills. http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112569 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2655960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Those are some undiscribeable models. So beautiful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2656077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Sounds awesome! If I can offer any advice I will. One Note: I would go for the Apothecary/Priest attached to Sternguard. Sternguard just give you that sort of 'heroic last stand' feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2656084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thanks I will probably do that since many of you say there should be an apothecary/priest in the Dio. I will still see what I will do and maybe do some concept drawings which I can post later here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2656156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiros14 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 well,good luck, i would use this model for the casulty http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1690064 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2656316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1138 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 I thought of it at first but I have build my own wounded marine once, i just have to find him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222062-could-use-some-tips-for-my-diorama/#findComment-2656321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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