Judaz Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hey all. I'm thinking of getting me something small, fast and deadly. I have enough models to fill every slot in an army except for Fast attack. There I have only some Vanguard. I'd love to get another Dreadnought now when the new kit is out, but since I already have 7 Dreads I should get something else... I don't play only to win, I play to have fun. An usual list for me is: HQ Libby w/JP Elite 2xFurioso w/DP Sang priest Troop DC 1-2 DC dread RASx10 RASx5 w/Razor Tacticalx10 Fast attack VVx7 Heavy support 2xDread Vindicator So now I'm looking for some fast attack to go along. A couple of Baals ould be nice, but they are expensive, both in points and in cash. But Landspeeders and Attack bikes are quite cheap. And I've heard that they are quite good aswell, have never tried using them myself. What should I get? I'm in a bad place moneywise for the moment, so I can only afford a single model, Land speeder or Attack bike. The Land speeder has the ability to load up on both anti-tank and anti-infantry, but it costs a bit more. The Attack bike can only have one weapon, but is a bit more durable? And cheaper. I'm not sure what role I want it to play, thats why I'm looking at the Land speeder, for it's flexibility. But when I read lists here on B&C the attack bike seems to be the one to choose. Help me B&C, you're my only hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 If you can only get 1 model, get a Landspeeder (preferably a typhoon). I prefer attack bikes, but you need at least 2 to make the unit effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 tbh both attack bike and speeder are very mobile, fast and can be armed to be either anti-tank or anti-infantry (HB and TL-bolter is pretty nice, specialy when taken in numbers :D ) booth can be quite easily taken out by something as an autocannon or missle launcher so if theyre in your opponents face dont be suprised if they dont live long... its pretty bbad for both to enter terrain (dangerous terrain test) but the attack bike wont be reduced to immobility by it. both are somewhat vunerable to small arms fire (the speeder only from S4 and higher mind you) but the attack bike has an armour save at least. big plusside to attack bikes though is that if they turbo-boost they get a 3+ covers ave. which is better compared to the 4+ cover save a speeder gets if it moves flat out. also note that the attack bike can charge tthings. when you have things like devastator squads or tau firewarriors/imperial guardsmen then the lack of attacks wont matter. he wont kill that much but he can at least tie up units ;) T5 is also a big plus for it since S3 units will wound him on 6's :devil: and not to bash the speeder kit here, but it can be a notoriously bad fit when assembling sometimes. ive got 1 with huge gaps on the sides and another where i filled the gaps with greenstuff because i hated how it looked :( when painted up/patched up though the model is bad ass :D but eh... either way choose for yourself m8, but id take the attack bike :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Loken Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'll say my Landspeeders have never let me down. 1 tornado with Assailt Cannon and Multi Melta and 1 Typhoon. They good for anti armour duties and not too shabby in an infantry role. But they take down Landraiders and Leman Russes for kicks. Just my experience mind, but I always factor them into my list as people concentrate all their firepower on my Razorback and my Baals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks for the quick responses! But this doesn't make it any easier ^_^ The fact that I often have 3 AV13 and 3-4 AV12 will help the survivability of this small, fast vehicle. Most of the heavy stuff will have something else to shoot at. Is the Typhoon worth it? I mean, I can almost get another Landspeeder for 40pts. Anyone use the heavy flamer on the speeder? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i vote attack bikes. they are easier to hide behind cover, and cant be killed by a single bolter round, where as a speeder could, and 5/6 options stop it being able to shoot if ou moove too fast(if you move too fast an immobilised become destroyed if i rember correctly. my multi melta attack bikes have always been ignored for other more 'dangerous' targets until its too late and they are at side armour within 12 inches... you also sound to have enough armour saturation that you shouldnt need speeders too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Loken Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 If you're playing against horde armies like guard or orks then the heavy Flamer is a great piece of kit. The typhoon is a great piece of kit as it fires 2 krak missiles at your target or 2 frag missiles which can really cause headaches for the hordes. A typhoon or Tornado, despite the extra cost are definitely of more use than a barebones Landspeeder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ive used a MM/HF speeder and its awesome :) its taken down battlewagons, leman russ battle tanks (side armour of 13 :P ) defilers etc etc. and also doused hordes of troops in purifying flame. its contested ojbectives to name another for it as well and soaked up anti tank fire with his cover save :lol: havent used my bikers in a while but theyre far from bad either :) the speeder is far more flexible though so it mostly depends on the role you want your speeder to fill ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 As of late I really like the attack bikes....easier to hide, and they can assault in a pinch, offering some duality to your list, speeders I have always struggled with.... Ashton Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchyman99 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm a huge fan of Attack Bikes over Speeders, cheap points and cash wise, but over all bang for the buck cash wise, you get more options with the Landspeeder and if you magnetize the weapons....lots of options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1clock Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Slightly off topic, but I have read several articles covering Attack Bikes and people have mentioned the twin linked bolters. I modelled mine with twin linked bolters, but on looking at our codex our attack bikes don't seem to have twin linked bolters. :D Cheers ant1clock Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 wargear-space marine bike. space marine bike has built in tl bolters... so no problems there.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1clock Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks Brother Nathan, obviously couldn't work the codex properly yet, I mean I've only had it for nearly a year. :P Now I just have to glue the bolters back on that I sawed off :mellow: :D :o ant1clock Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ive never been let down (horribly) by my landspeeders, ill take a typhoon and 2 AC/HB or just 3 double HB - these things kill a squad dead. Attack bikes can charge enemies, as mentioned, which is a massive bonus. Maybe go for which ever looks better to you - i think thats the best way to decide in these cases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah, there is no easy way to choose between the bike and the speeder. Don't like modelling bikes and I have never tried a land speeder, so I guess I'll go with the speeder. I'd hoped that one of the choices would win here and really stand out as a clear winner. But it's almost 50/50 so then I have to go with the model I like the best. Land speeder it is. Thanks for all the help guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 suppose if your oinga mainly jumper list a speeder would work better, whilst mech etc attack bikes sshould do better(can hide behind veichles etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 or get 4 more dreadnoughts and play with11 as the new codex allows Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 or get 4 more dreadnoughts and play with11 as the new codex allows Why do you think I started playing Blood Angels? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2655930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Speeders IMO. Hard to assault and kill (need a 6 most of the time to hit), can't be locked in combat, and can carry multiple weapons for any occassion. My fav is MM/HF! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2656236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Lem Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 But Speeders can't charge, to oppose that statement. Attack Bikes tying someone up in CC to deny a round of shooting, be it some TAU, some Eldar, or even some Longfangs can sometimes give you quite some breathing room. Also, in more Rhino or Razor-heavy armies, they can easily hide behind the tanks, something that Landspeeders can sadly do not. If Landspeeders, I'd always favour Tyhoons to play their 48" to full advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2656242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 But Speeders can't charge, to oppose that statement. Attack Bikes tying someone up in CC to deny a round of shooting, be it some TAU, some Eldar, or even some Longfangs can sometimes give you quite some breathing room. Also, in more Rhino or Razor-heavy armies, they can easily hide behind the tanks, something that Landspeeders can sadly do not. If Landspeeders, I'd always favour Tyhoons to play their 48" to full advantage. Its true, it really comes down to what you need. Against marine style armies I'd say bikers are better than speeders. Against horde style armies, speeders would be better (harder to hit, and doesn't give them a "springboard"). My army runs ravens, so speeders add more armor to an already armor light list. Also gives me heavy flamers for anti-horde, which my list was in dire need of. Just really depends what your list is! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2656250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1clock Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Whilst looking on the intraweb for info on attack bikes I came across this article. Blood angles attack bike Gives good insight into how someone plays with attack bikes. ant1clock Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222155-attack-bikes-or-landspeeders/#findComment-2656258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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