Parcival Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Dear Brothers, Like many of you (probably) I have a big surplus of Combat Shields from my Assault Squad boxes, but with the new Codex I seem to have an indefinite need for Stormshields. Now I am thinking about using those Comat Shields as Stormshields for my Jump Infantry (only JP!) as you could come up with fluff reasons why Stormshields for JP aren't as big. (1) Would your friends allow this Counts As in a friendly game? (mine would, but I want to test what would happen if I play a friendly game with strangers) (2) Do you think this Counts As would pass in a tournament with WYSIWYG requirements? (3) I already have Veterans with proper Stormshields, so my models would have a mix of Combat and Stormshields. Do you think it would be ok for other players if I told them "every shield is a Stormshield" or would that confuse them too much? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just dress it up a bit with some purity seals and I think you'll be good to go. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB66 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i dont see why not, - gives you a chance to make some really cool customized shields which would look totally cool - customize some and post some pics HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 There's no hard and fast rule as to what Storm Shields look like, people just tend to use the terminator models as reference. I would imagine that as long as you make the distinction to your opponent before the game there shouldn't be a problem, even in tournaments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Do you think it would be ok for other players if I told them "every shield is a Stormshield" or would that confuse them too much? Anyone sho gets confused by that would never be able to find their way out of the house to get to a tournament in the fist place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Cuthbert Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I think that it is fine in every setting except a GW/RTT tournament. Friends, LGS tourny, etc... no problems. But I would not do that in an upper-scale, competitve Tournament, just my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evileyevirtue Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I did this exact thing with my VV. I just sawed off some hands and attached them right on. No one has ever had a problem with, no one has ever mentioned anything to me. I simply give a list rundown at the beginning of a game and something like "these are the VV's and they have 2 storm shields." No one ever went "OMG THOSE ARE COMBAT SHIELDS!!!" They are appropriately sized and there is no rule of how big a SS needs to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 As long as all similar sized shields are the same type, it shouldn't be an issue. Now if you have a few storm and a few combat that all look about the same size, it could be an issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 As long as all similar sized shields are the same type, it shouldn't be an issue. Now if you have a few storm and a few combat that all look about the same size, it could be an issue. Yup, also don't assume your opponent will know they are all Storm Shields even if you decide to leave them all relatively plain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haunter! Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 The shield from the Assault Squad box is a storm shield. Combat shields have bolt pistol attachments like the one from the Command Squad box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazer Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Another thing to keep in mind is that we don't have many units that can take Storm Shields or Combat Shields, so confusion should be minimal. Glancing briefly through the Codex, I only see RAS as being able to take both of them, so as long as your RAS Sergeants don't take Combat Shields, there should be no room for confusion so long as you inform your opponent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Another thing to keep in mind is that we don't have many units that can take Storm Shields or Combat Shields, so confusion should be minimal. Glancing briefly through the Codex, I only see RAS as being able to take both of them, so as long as your RAS Sergeants don't take Combat Shields, there should be no room for confusion so long as you inform your opponent. Don't forget the Company Champion in an Honor Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazer Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ah, good call, JamesI! I completely missed that one in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 The shield from the Assault Squad box is a storm shield. Combat shields have bolt pistol attachments like the one from the Command Squad box. This. See my post in the "The Sanguinor" thread in Amicus Aedes, or How to Paint Space Marines p.81 where it is clearly identified as a Storm Shield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWalker Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 The shield in the assault marine box us a storm shield. But as James1 said the champion's shield is similar. I'm going to include a blood champion in my honor guard but I'm going to model him wearing a buckler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurrey Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Maybe a moot point but why would anyone take a combat shield instead of a storm shield? I realise the company champion in the honour guard has one included in his wargear but other than that they are just inferior to storms. Personally I would always a assume a space marine with a sheild is bringing the 3++ to the table. With a note on the customisation the brass etch sheet from forgeworld has some nice bits you can plonk on a combat shield to jazz it up. H Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just paint whatever shield you use to look like a storm shield, I went with a pretty litteral interpretation on mine; Ashton Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parcival Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Guys, you are just awesome and really made my day! So the entire thing is based on my misconception Terminators=large shields=SS and RAS=small shields=Combat Shields. I just searched for the sprue of the Command Squad and that obviously is a Combat Shield, although the size is comparable to the one in the RAS box. I don't really see the point in using Combat Shields either and was always frustrated I glued the ones from the RAS box onto my RAS Sergeants when I was a newbie. However, now that's even better. :) I'll just inform my other players that everything is a SS that looks like a shield, pay the extra points and there we go! I had several games when I would have loved to have had a SS on my RAS Sergeant. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i swear i saw in the codex sm that it was labled storm sheild. it would have to be a different design for assault marines as they have to be lighter to move as fast and dont have the bulk or power that a terminator has. other thoughts to blinging i would beto look at the dark angels one, and to use the fancy details off the baal sprue... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpWalker Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Glad we could help. The etched brass from forgeworld should look nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 So the entire thing is based on my misconception Terminators=large shields=SS and RAS=small shields=Combat Shields. I just searched for the sprue of the Command Squad and that obviously is a Combat Shield, although the size is comparable to the one in the RAS box. This was my misconception as well. Even in C:BA the Storm Shield is pictured as the one that Terminators have. Indeed the combat shield has an attached Bolt Pistol, while the one in RAS sprue has none (just noticed it myself :D ) Thanks for bringing up this topic, mate! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222165-combat-shield-counts-as-storm-shield/#findComment-2655844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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