Emperors Immortals Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I had a very interesting conversation with a good mate of mine recently.He startes out by detailing the progressive rollout of the crusade et al. the mortis Dread etc. - and then he asks me this; "Will the next SM dex allow assault troops to get a discount on rides, and will they have dedicated Raiders for anybody?" Hes also asking this on the back of Storm raven speculation that everyone will get one by xmas. So far hes proved very reliable with GW rumours (even when we thought he was barking mad for mentioning "wolves big enough to support a marine in battle") as hes a local stockist and his brother works in GW management in Nottingham (sp?) He also says this is the last marine dex for this ed., the next few off the block are Tau and necron apparently there will be no DA.I hope hes wrong on that front, or DA get the 2nd dex new ed. So, are our new shinies (apart from DC obviously) going to be standard in the new ed? Thoughts or comments are VERy much appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 He also says this is the last marine dex for this ed., the next few off the block are Tau and necron apparently there will be no DA.I hope hes wrong on that front, or DA get the 2nd dex new ed. Appart from Grey Knights also! They were space marines last time I checked ;) As far as you main point goes, this always happens, each codex especially marine ones tends to build on the last one, hence the new GK book taking inspiration from many of the rules already in the BA and wolf codexes e.g. DOA & JP vs Warp Mastery & Personal Teleporters. And the BA and wolf books taking their lead (and some new wargear) from the Vanilla codex before them. No more marine books this year sounds pretty likely, as do Tau and necrons getting a release. The Recent templar and DA FAQ's certainly hinted that they wont be getting a book anytime especially soon. As for them not getting an update untill next edition I guess would depend on wether GW has plans for 6th edition already. I assume if there is a sixth in the next couple of years it will be a pretty small tweak rather than an overhaul that would need a new run of codexes (tho vanilla marines will get sone anyway natch.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 our new shinies? no. the baal won't go to anyone else nor will the furiosoes. (then again neither of those are new besides the kits.) stormraven might. i wouldn't really care much if they did....just as long as the fluff doesn't turn to "stormraven SPAM!!!!" games however, probably be hit by 'raven spam. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 I agree guys, GK will have SR, others might get our tank choices as standard - is there no other opinions out of 53 views? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I don't expect the dedicated raiders for everyone will happen. Fluff states we have an unusual number of raiders. The rest is likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 space marines already have te jump pack for rides discount... lankraiders-possibly. not exactly a favoured ba tactic is it? and the fact that rey knighs are comming automatically disproves the no more marine codexes for this ed theory... i dont really care is othermarines get the raven or libarian dread. cant really see dak angels or templars getting done for a while anyway with their new faq things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 Sorry, i meant apart from GK there would be no more marine dex's - pretty safe bet really though. I see other marines getting lib dread and SR as well as a 2 spec per ass squad or 1 spec./heavy per 5 tacs. Am i close? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Sorry, i meant apart from GK there would be no more marine dex's - pretty safe bet really though. I see other marines getting lib dread and SR as well as a 2 spec per ass squad or 1 spec./heavy per 5 tacs. Am i close? they can already, they can have a plasma pistol/ flamer for every 5 men in their assault squad. they could do with melta as an option but dont really need it... cause they dont get spammed as much with their dex as they arnt troops. tacticals i dont see changing cept in price(cheaper... scouts should be cheaper too..) hopefully gaining heavy flamers but not likely. i still want the old tact squads back. sure they cost more but a 5 man squad could take a special... now anything less than 10 is pointless, especially compared to our assault marines... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I definitely see a correlation between BA and the next Space Marines Codex. Taking the Stormraven out of the equation; Apothecaries to be included like the Sanguinary Priest. Unlikely that Furious Charge will be included into that bargain though. Devastators will be cost effective at last - it's only be how many years?! Assault Marines have proven much more popular than Tactical Marines thanks to just just 2 things; a Special Weapon at less than 10 men and scoring status. Regardless of Razorbacks being allowed or not, the ability to lose jump packs and bundle into a Rhino is an attractive option if you have a cheap unit with an extra melta gun. Scoring of course (or the lack of it) enables Tacticals to keep their edge, but hopefully GW will have learnt from their mistake and allow Tacticals to take a special weapon at less than 10 men or even take a second one or a heavy weapon. That would fix alot of issues with the unit at the moment. Hopefully GW will learn their Tigurius model sucks rules wise as well as in the "flesh" so will actually go out of their way to make his rules appropriate to his cost. This is inspired by Mephiston, as I'm sure people can accept he is actually worth his points where as Tigurius as a chief Librarian is not. Vanguard got cheaper for BA so.... BA got more options for TROOPS choices so it seems logical GW will make Marine Captains important in how they affect force organisation. Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield upgrades to Assault Terminators will go up by 5pts. Techmarines will still be rubbish... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 lol at that last one, how true, well cept you get tmotf and thunderfires... dont know if youll be able to move assault marines, as your biker ability makes up for it. hopefully more characters that makes stuff scoring... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Other chapters can get Discount Assault Marine transports. They can even get the special weapons per 5 men rather than 10. However they won't get them as scoring Troops choices. Which is why our Assault Marines are the 'go to' choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 GW has said (IIRC) that they would be redoing all the 'dexes for 5th before they moved on to 6th... meaning that BT and DA wouldn't be left in the dust. As to whether they'll keep to this we'll have to see, but... I doubt this is the last Marine 'dex for 5th. I could definitely see future assault squads getting a discount on rides and reduced devastator weapons costs, though. Stormraven will (hopefully) become a 0-1 choice for the rest of the Marines, but I doubt everyone will get Land Raiders as dedicated options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Well the BT and DA are actually quite workable in 5th now with the FAQ update with certain builds. But I do think the DA at least deserve a new codex. I think the 6th Ed will be the place we see a new SM Ultrasmurfs type codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think the 6th Ed will be the place we see a new SM Ultrasmurfs type codex Agreed. Judging by the way GW portrayed the Blood Angels and their successors it looks likely Ultramarines will get a Codex all their own with some information on notable progeny. That would either make alot of players happy or upset alot of players, as it means either all the other Chapters of Legend will get their own Codex or they will be sidelined... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBaals Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'd say DA and BT just got a new codex.. It was kind of a Windows Vista to Windows 7 sort of update though. Except GW decided to do the right thing for free! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 lol "I'm an FAQ and 3++ Storm Shields and Heavy 2 Cyclone/Typhoon Missile Launchers were my idea" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astorath the Grim Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Well I for one seriously hope that 6th ed is years away yet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 A 6th Ed is really unnecessary at this point. The game system is holding up fine as it is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think 6ed is two years out seeing a new edition is typically released every 5 years. I doubt we will see Smurfs being able to take assault squads as a troop choice as that is very BA centric, might be possible though for an army such as Raven Guard via special character. G :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 The more unique things from BA that go to other chapters only serves to render our codex more and more redundant. Separate apothecaries for codex marines is an absolute punch to the fluff that is unnecessary. One apothecary per detachment unless you've got multiple command squads from multiple companies. RAS as scoring in codex marines is..just no. C:SM needs an update like a gold threaded page trim and complimentary crystal goblet full of assorted candies. Dedicated transport discounts is agreeable. Dedicated Land Raiders is agreeable as surely we're not the only chapter *COUGH* Black Templars *COUGH* that have a warehouse full of the things. Storm Ravens for all is also agreeable. It makes sense for the Astartes to have acess to that kind of vehicle. Remove the Skies of Blood rule and any other BA aspects and cut costs accordingly. This idea that GW continues to throw out in every new codex that the army needs some way of having army-wide FNP is getting rediculous. They need to stop this nonsense before every army has every special rule on +50% of its units and GW is forced to create new rules to be unique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBaals Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 lol "I'm an FAQ and 3++ Storm Shields and Heavy 2 Cyclone/Typhoon Missile Launchers were my idea" haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnon Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I hope they first release a 5th edition codex for each army before moving up to 6th. Anyways I doubt we'll see RAS as troops for other armies. Same goes with landraiders as dedicated transports. There are already plenty of rumors for the stormraven available to others though. Still I really hope GW tries to make each race as unique as possible even if they're all marine armies they don't need to copy paste everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'd say DA and BT just got a new codex.. I just died a little inside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2657991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Im honestly hoping tac squads will get an option for 1 special per 5 men, no need to make RAS troops choices for other armies but i do like the idea of fielding 0-1 apothecary as a IC. The dedicated raider idea is also a win IMO. Personally im very happy with 5th, its the strongest and most streamlined edition to date (in my mind anyway) and hasn lost any punch.My group and i still play with Rad counters and Blight grenades (we even just had a game that included a vortex grenade and a displacer shield). One thing i hop very strongly though is that DA get there own dex, and perhaps in the next edition theres at least the same flexibility for non-ultra armies.I run my ultras as ultras, but if i was a fist, raven or a scar id like the options available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222303-are-ba-the-next-sm-evolution/#findComment-2658030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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