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Are BA the next SM evolution?


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I had a very interesting conversation with a good mate of mine recently.He startes out by detailing the progressive rollout of the crusade et al. the mortis Dread etc. - and then he asks me this;

 

"Will the next SM dex allow assault troops to get a discount on rides, and will they have dedicated Raiders for anybody?"

 

Hes also asking this on the back of Storm raven speculation that everyone will get one by xmas.

 

So far hes proved very reliable with GW rumours (even when we thought he was barking mad for mentioning "wolves big enough to support a marine in battle") as hes a local stockist and his brother works in GW management in Nottingham (sp?)

 

He also says this is the last marine dex for this ed., the next few off the block are Tau and necron apparently there will be no DA.I hope hes wrong on that front, or DA get the 2nd dex new ed.

 

So, are our new shinies (apart from DC obviously) going to be standard in the new ed? Thoughts or comments are VERy much appreciated.

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He also says this is the last marine dex for this ed., the next few off the block are Tau and necron apparently there will be no DA.I hope hes wrong on that front, or DA get the 2nd dex new ed.

 

Appart from Grey Knights also! They were space marines last time I checked ;)

 

As far as you main point goes, this always happens, each codex especially marine ones tends to build on the last one, hence the new GK book taking inspiration from many of the rules already in the BA and wolf codexes e.g. DOA & JP vs Warp Mastery & Personal Teleporters. And the BA and wolf books taking their lead (and some new wargear) from the Vanilla codex before them.

 

No more marine books this year sounds pretty likely, as do Tau and necrons getting a release. The Recent templar and DA FAQ's certainly hinted that they wont be getting a book anytime especially soon. As for them not getting an update untill next edition I guess would depend on wether GW has plans for 6th edition already. I assume if there is a sixth in the next couple of years it will be a pretty small tweak rather than an overhaul that would need a new run of codexes (tho vanilla marines will get sone anyway natch.)

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space marines already have te jump pack for rides discount... lankraiders-possibly. not exactly a favoured ba tactic is it? and the fact that rey knighs are comming automatically disproves the no more marine codexes for this ed theory... i dont really care is othermarines get the raven or libarian dread. cant really see dak angels or templars getting done for a while anyway with their new faq things...
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Sorry, i meant apart from GK there would be no more marine dex's - pretty safe bet really though.

 

I see other marines getting lib dread and SR as well as a 2 spec per ass squad or 1 spec./heavy per 5 tacs.

 

Am i close?

they can already, they can have a plasma pistol/ flamer for every 5 men in their assault squad. they could do with melta as an option but dont really need it... cause they dont get spammed as much with their dex as they arnt troops.

 

tacticals i dont see changing cept in price(cheaper... scouts should be cheaper too..) hopefully gaining heavy flamers but not likely. i still want the old tact squads back. sure they cost more but a 5 man squad could take a special... now anything less than 10 is pointless, especially compared to our assault marines...

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I definitely see a correlation between BA and the next Space Marines Codex.

 

Taking the Stormraven out of the equation;

 

  • Apothecaries to be included like the Sanguinary Priest. Unlikely that Furious Charge will be included into that bargain though.
  • Devastators will be cost effective at last - it's only be how many years?!
  • Assault Marines have proven much more popular than Tactical Marines thanks to just just 2 things; a Special Weapon at less than 10 men and scoring status. Regardless of Razorbacks being allowed or not, the ability to lose jump packs and bundle into a Rhino is an attractive option if you have a cheap unit with an extra melta gun. Scoring of course (or the lack of it) enables Tacticals to keep their edge, but hopefully GW will have learnt from their mistake and allow Tacticals to take a special weapon at less than 10 men or even take a second one or a heavy weapon. That would fix alot of issues with the unit at the moment.
  • Hopefully GW will learn their Tigurius model sucks rules wise as well as in the "flesh" so will actually go out of their way to make his rules appropriate to his cost. This is inspired by Mephiston, as I'm sure people can accept he is actually worth his points where as Tigurius as a chief Librarian is not.
  • Vanguard got cheaper for BA so....
  • BA got more options for TROOPS choices so it seems logical GW will make Marine Captains important in how they affect force organisation.
  • Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield upgrades to Assault Terminators will go up by 5pts.
  • Techmarines will still be rubbish...

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GW has said (IIRC) that they would be redoing all the 'dexes for 5th before they moved on to 6th... meaning that BT and DA wouldn't be left in the dust.

As to whether they'll keep to this we'll have to see, but... I doubt this is the last Marine 'dex for 5th.

 

I could definitely see future assault squads getting a discount on rides and reduced devastator weapons costs, though. Stormraven will (hopefully) become a 0-1 choice for the rest of the Marines, but I doubt everyone will get Land Raiders as dedicated options.

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I think the 6th Ed will be the place we see a new SM Ultrasmurfs type codex

 

Agreed. Judging by the way GW portrayed the Blood Angels and their successors it looks likely Ultramarines will get a Codex all their own with some information on notable progeny. That would either make alot of players happy or upset alot of players, as it means either all the other Chapters of Legend will get their own Codex or they will be sidelined...

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The more unique things from BA that go to other chapters only serves to render our codex more and more redundant.

 

Separate apothecaries for codex marines is an absolute punch to the fluff that is unnecessary. One apothecary per detachment unless you've got multiple command squads from multiple companies.

 

RAS as scoring in codex marines is..just no.

 

C:SM needs an update like a gold threaded page trim and complimentary crystal goblet full of assorted candies.

 

Dedicated transport discounts is agreeable. Dedicated Land Raiders is agreeable as surely we're not the only chapter *COUGH* Black Templars *COUGH* that have a warehouse full of the things. Storm Ravens for all is also agreeable. It makes sense for the Astartes to have acess to that kind of vehicle. Remove the Skies of Blood rule and any other BA aspects and cut costs accordingly.

 

This idea that GW continues to throw out in every new codex that the army needs some way of having army-wide FNP is getting rediculous. They need to stop this nonsense before every army has every special rule on +50% of its units and GW is forced to create new rules to be unique.

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I hope they first release a 5th edition codex for each army before moving up to 6th.

 

Anyways I doubt we'll see RAS as troops for other armies. Same goes with landraiders as dedicated transports. There are already plenty of rumors for the stormraven available to others though.

Still I really hope GW tries to make each race as unique as possible even if they're all marine armies they don't need to copy paste everything.

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Im honestly hoping tac squads will get an option for 1 special per 5 men, no need to make RAS troops choices for other armies but i do like the idea of fielding 0-1 apothecary as a IC.

 

The dedicated raider idea is also a win IMO.

 

Personally im very happy with 5th, its the strongest and most streamlined edition to date (in my mind anyway) and hasn lost any punch.My group and i still play with Rad counters and Blight grenades (we even just had a game that included a vortex grenade and a displacer shield).

 

One thing i hop very strongly though is that DA get there own dex, and perhaps in the next edition theres at least the same flexibility for non-ultra armies.I run my ultras as ultras, but if i was a fist, raven or a scar id like the options available.

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