500 point list CC please

[Lone Scout]

I've been invited to play in a escalation campaign. 500 pts start and we add 250 points each month till we hit 2250. Great excuse to get the chapter running and gain experiance to boot.

With this in mind my opponents will be DE, proberbly BA and proberbly orks.

 

My list is

WGBL TW mount with SS and Frostblade

2x Gray Hunter squads (6 each (1 with flamer) with razorbacks with TL assault cannons)

 

What do you think brothers?

[CainTheHunter]

I like the usage of almost 1/3 points in one single model. How about taking Njal - he will chunk 1/2 of points available, and You will not have to worry about the remaining list, as there will not be much choices left ;).

Now, jokes aside. Against DE that WGBL is going to die - simply by putting lots of poison wounds on him and You forcing You taking lots of saves, which You are bound to fail. And You are not going to catch him - never.

Assault cannons - yeah. They are what - 24"? Add 6" for DE nighshields, and You are not catching him again, while he pops Razors with his Dark Lances and danses around You. Those 6 men GH packs - he will eat them in CC before You get to hit back.

 

I'd start with swapping out WGBL for Rune Priest with Living Lightining (unlimited range) and Tempest's Wraith. Thus he will have tough time thinking either coming closer to You and risking falling dif.terrain test, or staying afar - but still vulnerable to Living Lightining. We are talking about 100 points here, which should help in maxing out those GH squads.

Do You have a FOC for that campaign or it is suspended?

[Simo429]

Drop the TWC for either a wolf priest or a rune priest, personally I would go with a rune priest with Jaws and MH at this points value

[Vantius]

I agree with Cain. You have no range, and very few troops. Consider going with some scouts too. for 100 points you can have 5 with a meltagun and MotW. These guys could help you with pushing the enemy towards you, or a distraction while your troops move forward.

[breng77]

A few questions about the campaign.

 

1.) Can you make changes to what units you are using as you go up in points? (Do you have to use the 800 point army as the core for building the rest of your force?)

 

2.) If #1 is No (i.e. you need to keep the models from your 800 point force going foreward), can you change wargear on units/models as the points go up or add models to units?

 

3.)If #1 is No, what type of army are you looking to build going forward? (what do you want to end up with in your 2250 list?

 

In general if you are allowed changes I would agree with the above responses. I don't think 1 WG BL on a mount will do all that much as he is target priority #1, followed by the RBs, once those are dead, so is your current list.

 

That said I would like to advise you in a way to give you the type of list you want to play rather than, telling you what I would play.

[Lone Scout]

A few questions about the campaign.

 

1.) Can you make changes to what units you are using as you go up in points? (Do you have to use the 800 point army as the core for building the rest of your force?)

 

2.) If #1 is No (i.e. you need to keep the models from your 800 point force going foreward), can you change wargear on units/models as the points go up or add models to units?

 

3.)If #1 is No, what type of army are you looking to build going forward? (what do you want to end up with in your 2250 list?

 

In general if you are allowed changes I would agree with the above responses. I don't think 1 WG BL on a mount will do all that much as he is target priority #1, followed by the RBs, once those are dead, so is your current list.

 

That said I would like to advise you in a way to give you the type of list you want to play rather than, telling you what I would play.

 

1. is yes :)

 

This is why I like you guys....I went to bed thinking this list was solid and I was going to kick some butt :yes: Seems I was very wrong :)

It will not be just DE on the board there will also be Impy Guard and Blood Angels. Either way the first 2 games are going to be brutal. I will place list 2 up soon.

[breng77]

If you can make whole sale changes to your list the next questions are:

 

Do you currently own any models? If so what? Are you buying this as a new army from scratch? And what models do you want to play with at higher points?

 

If you already own a bunch of models and can pick and choose things are easier. If you are buying a new army, and don't want to spend excess money that is also key as different things are good at different point levels, but I would not base my buying decisions around what is good at 500 points if you don't want to use those models at a higher point cost.

 

At 500 points I would likely go with something like

 

Rune Priest w/ Chooser and Melta bombs (living lightning, Jaws)

 

5 Grey Hunters w/ Melta gun in Razorback

 

5 Grey Hunters w/ Plasma gun

 

4 Long fangs (3 missiles)

 

4 Long Fangs (3 missles)

 

But if you don't already have these models and don't want to use them later on I would not buy them just for this case. That said this is a fairly good base for starting any wolf army IMO

[Epic Thoughts]

I would strongly recommend some anti-tank power in there. A 500 point list is a very different dynamic than a 2000, 1500, or even a 1000 point. With the prevalence of cheap armor in other codex, a power fist or two meltas will be worth their weight in gold. Especially if you have a Guard player in your local group. You can bet cash he's bringing a Leman Russ.

[CainTheHunter]

I'd take one Typhoon speeder for a small game any time.

[breng77]

Typhoons are good, but I find that for the points (especially in SW) that they don't tend to live long enough.

[CainTheHunter]

Typhoons are good, but I find that for the points (especially in SW) that they don't tend to live long enough.

 

It really depends on the amount of terrain on the table. And Typhoons have better rate of survival than MM/HF Land Speeders.

 

The question is - does the OP have Land Speeder Typhoon B)

[breng77]

True, they are more survivable than MM/HF, but I'd take long fangs over the speeder for long range fire power.

[CainTheHunter]

True, they are more survivable than MM/HF, but I'd take long fangs over the speeder for long range fire power.

 

Well, in 1500 points I'd take both B). In such a small game, if the OP is able to squeze it in, perhaps he can do it as well. LF are static, while Typhoon can provide some different angles and plus he may have constant 4+ cover save as well. And it's two missiles (krak OR frag) plus HB.

[Lone Scout]

I don't have any models except the mythicast thunder wolves, but I have$500 to spend. Part of the reason they started the campaign was to get new armies up and running :)

[breng77]

Then it comes down to pricing out the final army you want to run, so maybe come up with your 2000 pt or 2250 pt list idea, see how much that is going to cost you. Post that and we'll work with what models you are looking to buy. Unless you simply want the most competitive build possible.