Tournament Question

[Electrolytes]

I have never been to a tournament and to be honest, I probably never will, I always play for fun and when people come in and "Power game" it takes most of the fun away from it for me. But anyway i was wondering I'm making my own chapter based on Blood Angels. Its all personalized and have my own named HQ that i made from scratch (including troops and everything), so I was just wondering if the day ever came that i wanted to partake in a tournament I'm assuming my army would not be able to participate because its not WYSIWYG. Am i correct?

[the jeske]

well If you happen to run lets say a dude armed with two handed power sword which counts as TH + SS [parry/duelist] and you happen to run TH/SS termis in the same list then it aint WYSIWYG .

But If you run an army of BA made out of stones and each stones that represent units are easy to recognize [white stone SP, grey stone RAS, grey stone with red Dot fist guy , blue dot melta guy etc] then it is full WYSIWYG . people may ask you to put actual GW models when checking LoS to your army , but otherwise the army would be totaly legal.

[Noggmoritz]

well If you happen to run lets say a dude armed with two handed power sword which counts as TH + SS [parry/duelist] and you happen to run TH/SS termis in the same list then it aint WYSIWYG .

But If you run an army of BA made out of stones and each stones that represent units are easy to recognize [white stone SP, grey stone RAS, grey stone with red Dot fist guy , blue dot melta guy etc] then it is full WYSIWYG . people may ask you to put actual GW models when checking LoS to your army , but otherwise the army would be totaly legal.

 

Is this a joke?.. I don't know what tournaments you are playing at where they allow stones as model representation.

 

 

@OP, can you elaborate on what you mean by made from scratch etc? Most tournaments generally have rules that the model must be made of a certain percentage (or often entirely) of GW parts.

[JamesI]

I have never been to a tournament and to be honest, I probably never will, I always play for fun and when people come in and "Power game" it takes most of the fun away from it for me. But anyway i was wondering I'm making my own chapter based on Blood Angels. Its all personalized and have my own named HQ that i made from scratch (including troops and everything), so I was just wondering if the day ever came that i wanted to partake in a tournament I'm assuming my army would not be able to participate because its not WYSIWYG. Am i correct?

As long as you are using the rules out of Codex BA and all your models are identifiable, no one should care (some places get upset with using the paint scheme of a particular chapter with another chapter's rules though).

[Vincent Black Shadow]

I think the stones would only work for proxies if they were official games workshop stones costing $30 for a box of five.

 

Maybe bits of sprue instead? :P

[Lord Cuthbert]

I don't understand the perception of tournaments are only for power gamers. I play competitively and try to build an army that is "fluffy". I think that it is more correct to say maybe people that are WAAC (win at all cost) personalities tend to diminish the fun of playing competitively. Even if my armies are "fluffy" I make every attempt to maximize what I can so my army performs optimally.

 

Now as to your question, the game is specifically designed with the ability to design your own force (ie. your own Chapter). There is nothing to say that you cannot create your own Blood Angel Successor Chapter that would use the BA Codex. In friendly games you may be able to use a model armed with a flamer to "count as" a meltagun in most situations and that is generally frowned upon in sponsored tournaments. In GW sanctioned tournaments is outright not allowed. So if you desire to play in a tournament at your LGS then they are likely to be flexible with your force.

 

I would however stay away from using rocks no matter the color scheme :o .

[Electrolytes]

Thanks, a lot of great info there. Basically its going to be a blood angels successor chapter but astorath (for example) won't look like Astorath, I'm building him out of parts from other models (he will still have the same giant 2 handed axe, and even wings!) Just not the same stance or body!

 

Still thanks for the replies!

[the jeske]

Is this a joke?.. I don't know what tournaments you are playing at where they allow stones as model representation.

Do you know the rules we have now ? counts as is fully supported , we still cant use non GW models , we can use own sculpts and conversions [and a stone on a base is just that]. Now If your asking me, If I like the counts as support , then no I dont like it .

But the rules are clear WYSIWYG works like this if you have a models armed with gear X then all units with the same gear have to look the same . To use a less extrem example. Chaos EC armies had sonic weapons on all their tanks/bikes/termis etc . Those options were droped in the gav dex. Now If I use NM with sonic blasters then bikes/rhinos/HQ with those weapons are illegal . IF I build an army with NM with 0 sonic weapons and take havocks with 4 blast masters each and there are no blast master[the actual gear not the model] in my army on NM , then they are legal and I use them as counts as of anything I want [4 melta , 4 las , 4 RL etc etc].

 

 

 

I think that it is more correct to say maybe people that are WAAC (win at all cost) personalities tend to diminish the fun of playing competitively.

0_o what ? since when is playing with optimised builds in a tournament setting [where we check if someone can build and play his list] is something bad . I understand that in a setting where people play for something else [i dont know , to show off their golden demon level painted models or something] it may be different . But tournaments are out of their very nature about best builds and optimal armies . No one is going to feel bad over the fact that that they wont let you play with your army or your unit , just because It may make you get a NPE . It is a different world from your sunday gaming where your bud may let you use your new painted LR because if he pops it turn one after you deploy it you may feel bad.

[SamaNagol]

If you models are equipped with what the codex entry says they have, and you haven't got the same things representing different items or units (death company models representing death company in one unit, but representing honour guard in another unit), then you are fine.

 

Models painted a different colour for a different home made chapter is entirely acceptable.

[Dingareth]

I've used the Blood Angels book to represent my Iron Warriors in 5 GT's now, and not one person has had a problem with it- let alone the tournament organiser.

 

Do what you want to do, and don't let anybody tell you that you can't.

[Brother Nathan]

may i ask why use c;ba to represent iron warriors? im just starting iron warriors so would like to know... dont see that big of a problem with the chaos dex tbh...

[Tanhausen]

I think the Original Post is asking whether he HAS to use official models or if he can use convertions... the answer is that you can use convertions, as long as everything is properly represented.

 

In the specific case of astorath, you don't have to buy the model: you can take a simple tactical marine, give him a fantasy axe if you want and he will be properly represented.

[Dingareth]

may i ask why use c;ba to represent iron warriors? im just starting iron warriors so would like to know... dont see that big of a problem with the chaos dex tbh...

 

I was bored of Space Wolves, and won a Land Raider and a Valkyrie from a tournament. I figured I make a Storm Raven, and the army followed. As for Chaos, I just find it a boring book- no long range firepower outside of Obliterators, a very predictable build, and no real interesting rules makes it a snooze to play.

[Brother Nathan]

fair enough. and yea you can use anymodels converted as lon as you ma them look like what they are supposes to be representing. ie astro- artificer armour, so id try to either use a more ornate model than standard that stil has a powerarmoury look to it,, or paint it to look alot fancierie gold or lots of little details. next (unlike tactical marines)he has a jump pack. so some form of jump pack. and it dosent have to be the single thruster winged type. just a jump pack. of course fancier the better to help with the artificer armour. then your power axe, should try to make it bigger than the standard one in the tactical squad sprue. the fancier the beter. id vote for one of the sanguard axes, though it dosent have to be a axe at all but it would help. and the closer you stick to what its supposed to represent the less problems you have. of course if your still worried take pics of what you make as you go along and post them here to ask the community their thoughts. workes for me.