IA: The Stone Templars

[ANGRYMARINE]

The Stone Lords

History and Origins
Founding: 17th Founding, M36
The Stone Lords were created on the order of an Inquisitorial Representative serving as one of the High Lords of Terra to investigate reports of contact ceasing with worlds located on the Northern Galactic Rim.

Homeworld
Homeworld: Petram
Fortress Monastery: Castellum Lapide
The Stone Lords are based off of the planet of Petram in the Segmentum Obscurus, and it also serves as the location for their Fortress Monastery. Petram is a Civilized Mining world, with one Hive City located on it, taking up about 15% of the planets surface in addition to containing 50% of its population. The Hive City is built around the planet's largest surface of water, there are also numerous oasis located across the Planet's desert. Petram itself is a planet known for being covered with mountainous terrain and vast deserts, where the remaining 50% of the planet's population live in the 150 Mining Colonies stationed near resource rich areas. The recruits drawn from the mining colonies are exceptionally hardy as a result of living and even working with their parents in the mines. The mountainous area is frequently plagued by attacks from the planets deadly wildlife, which consists of large, poisonous, scorpion-like creatures with exoskeletons as hard as solid rock. The Fortress Monastery itself is located between the Hive City itself and a cluster of mining colonies located at the foot of one of the planet's largest mountains and is capable of producing power armor and other weapons for the Chapter's Marines.


Recruitment
Recruits of the Stone Lords are most frequently drawn from Petram's Hive City gangs and its Mining Colonies. The chapter's veterans engage in pilgrimages across the planet every year, visiting Petram's Mining Colonies and the slums of the Hive City in search of strong-willed and able bodied recruits that show exemplary signs of selflessness and devotion to the common man as well as the other desired qualities sought in a Space Marine. Upon recruitment to the chapter Aspirants undergo the standard implantation process and are taught the basic tenets of tending to their own suits of Power Armor by the Chapters Techmarines, and sometimes Artificers, over the course of their training they are also tasked with building their own suit of Power Armor (currently they build a suit of MK. 8 Power Armor). They earn the right to wear their Power Armor after they have completed combat training as an Initiate and receive the Black Carapace implant. Once Aspirants complete their basic training they are not inducted into the 10th company as scouts, they, like the Black Templars, are assigned to one of the 10 companies to provide support in the form of performing recon and serving as snipers for their company, providing covering fire for their battle-brothers from a safe distance in addition to observing enemy movements.

After their induction as a full fledged Space Marine, Astartes who were recruited from Mining Colonies are allowed to make visits to their place of birth and offer aid to their Families and mining communities, embarking on hunts for threatening wildlife and pockets of Feral Orks residing in the mountains. During these pilgrimages to their homes Astartes have been known to bring back several young recruits who have proven themselves in battle to be recruited into the chapter.

Combat Doctrine


Organization
The Stone Lords are considered to be loose adherents to the doctrines of the Codex Astartes, in principle they organize their squads into units of 10 Tactical, Devastator, or Assault Marines, all companies, apart from the 1st, 2nd, and 8th follow the standard command structure as their primogenitor chapter, although they composed of 4 squads made up of each combat designation. The 1st company is still comprised of 120 veterans, albeit they do not field any terminator squads, apart from the Chapter Master and his Honour Guard, who command the Veteran Company. All scouts serve alongside the veterans of the Second Company, which consists of 12 Terminator squads, each led by a Veteran Sargent. The 8th Reserve Company is led by a Tribunal of 3 Lord-Captains, and is comprised of 12 Tactical, 12 Devastator, and 12 Assault Marine squads. The 8th company normally remains on Petram in the event of any planetary invasions by Dark Eldar Raiders and Ork Waaaghs!!! In the event of a Necron force being found on a World discovered by the 7th Expeditionary-Company, the 8th Company is called upon to purge the ancient tombs with cleansing fire and plasma.

Beliefs
The Stone Lords share similar beliefs with their predecessor Chapter the Salamanders. They do not see the Emperor as a divine being, but rather as a powerful being that leads Mankind with their best interests in mind. Like the Salamanders they worship the Promethean Cult and maintain the same practices as their predecessors do. They also maintain their strong relationship and reputation with the Imperial Guard and Imperium Citizens. Marines of the Stone Lords are all well versed in maintaining and crafting their weaponry.

Geneseed
The Geneseed of the Stone Templars is relatively pure.Their Gene-Seed does inherit the Salamanders mutated Melanchrome but the conditions on Petram's surface do not affect their skin pigmentation as radically as Nocturne's hazardous environment. In addition all Stone Templars possess bright red eyes just as the Salamanders do.

CRITIQUE AWAY!!!

[ANGRYMARINE]

Feel free to Critique now. This is my second draft of them by the way.

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

The Stone Templars were created from the gene-seed of the Salamanders Chapter; who had lacked the necessary manpower to train an entire new chapter following their crushing defeat at the Istvaan V dropsite massacre.

 

We're not sure this is the reason, so I would delete that.

 

However, the creation of the Stone Templars was requested by a small group of Salamanders who were the only Novices to survice the dropsite massacre.

 

I doubt the group of Novices would be able to convince the leadership to form a new chapter. They are Novices, after all.

 

Leading this group of Novices was a 9-foot tall Astartes by the name of Ignis, who hailed from Nocturne and was one of the oldest marines in the chapter at that point in time.

 

You are my official hero. Anyone who chooses me as the chapter master of their chapter deserves to be commended.

 

Some would even say that he was one of the strongest marines they had witnessed in combat, but still inferior to the Primarchs themselves.

 

Even awesomer!

 

Some even claim that he is the son of Vulkan, fathered during his time spent living among the population of Nocturne before the Emperor's arrival to the planet.

 

I hope this is just a myth. I doubt Vulkan had any children.

 

It was requested that this particular successor chapter be created for the purpose of defending and aiding citizens of the Imperium, primarily in the Segmentum Tempestus. It was requested that the chapter's size be larger than normal in order to allow themselves to be spread out more across the Segmentum Tempestus less thinly. Instead of the standard 1,000 marines, there would be 3,000 marines, but they agreed that it would follow the Codex Astartes and would apply its organization to a larger group of marines.

 

Uh, uh, uh. They are almost definitely not being let to get away with this. Also, I doubt the Imperium has the resources to do this at this point. Although I would like commanding 3,000 marines. ;)

 

Fortress Monastery: Castellum Lapide (located on homeworld)

 

You don't have to mention the Fortress is on the homeworld.

 

The majority of the Stone Templars recruits come from the Hive City's gangs. The Hive City is built around the planet's only surface of water and is also responsible for purifying and sending it to the planets numerous mining colonies.

 

I highly doubt that one source of water would be able to supply the whole world.

 

The Fortress Monastery itself is located between the Hive City itself and a cluster of mining colonies located at the foot of one of the planet's largest mountains and is capable of producing power armor and Dreadnaught Hulls for the Chapter's Marines.

 

Dreadnought hulls are almost impossible to produce. Only the greatest Forge Worlds can make them, and then only a few at a time.

 

Due to it's location between 2 Ork Worlds the planet is frequently the subject of Ork raids, which the Stone Templar have been able to repel with ease, albeit with some trouble mopping up any remaining Orks that reside in the Mountains covering the planet. Because of this mining colonies have been known to come under attack from the occasional Orkish warband and have had some success repelling them as they are equipped with suitable weaponry manufactured by the Stone Templars.

 

The Templars wouldn't manufacture things. That's what Forge Worlds are for.

 

Recruits of the Stone Templars are most frequently drawn from Petram's Hive City gangs and its Mining Colonies. The chapter's veterans engage in pilgramages across the planet every year, visiting Petram's Mining Colonies and the slums of the Hive City in search of strong-willed and able bodied recruits that show exemplary signs of selflessness and devotion to the common man.

 

Most chapters, even the Salamanders, don't look for kind, caring people. Happy people =/= good marines.

 

, and sometimes Artificers, over the course of their training they are also tasked with building their own suit of Power Armor (currently they build a suit of MK. 8 Power Armor).

 

See the Forge World thing.

 

They earn the right to wear their Power Armor after they have completed combat training as an Initiate and receive the Black Carapace implant. Once Aspirants complete their basic training they are not inducted into the 10th company as scouts, they, like the Black Templars, are assigned to fight alongside a Veteran Battle Brother as an initiate in a Veteran Marine squad where they are mentored by one of the Chapter's finest Astartes in the art of Battle.

 

Like yours truly? ;)

 

After their induction as a full fledged Space Marine Astartes who were recruited from Mining Colonies are allowed to make visits to their place of birth and offer aid to their Families and mining communities, embarking on hunts for threatening wildlife and pockets of Feral Orks residing in the mountains. During these pilgrimages to their homes Astartes have been known to bring back several young recruits who have proven themselves in battle to be recruited into the chapter.[/i]

 

This is actually quite an interesting idea. I like.

 

 

Combat Doctrine

 

I'll just skip all references to large chapter size. See the above note on that.

All Battle Brothers are known for fighting with extreme zealotry in order to prevent the loss of innocent life in their defense of a planet's population. After a successful defense of a planet a company will remain for some time to help aid in repairing the damage done during an attack and gathering possible recruits to replace any Astartes who might fall in battle.

 

Space Marines are much too valuable to be used as common workmen. I doubt they would rebuild things.

 

The 2nd through the 5th Battle Companies are comprised of 12 squads of Tactical Marines, 5 Squads of Devastator Marines, and 3 Squads of Assault Marines.

 

Why the deviation?

 

My apologies for the lack of a good critique. I've probably missed a bunch, but it's really late and I'm using my phone.

[Lysimachus]

While mostly I'd just repeat what Ignis has said (especially the high numbers, it's one of the worst mistakes a DIY Chapter creator can make, adding nothing to the character of the force and causing a multitude of problems that need answering), I would disagree about one thing:

 

The Templars wouldn't manufacture things. That's what Forge Worlds are for.

 

Not necessarily. Most Chapters have the ability to produce certain basic things (weapons, armour, probably the simpler vehicles) as long as they have the resources available to do it. However, as Ignis said, Dreadnought hulls (and Terminator armour and Land Raiders) are much harder to create, which is why they're rarer and so valuable.

[CantonWC]

I offer no mercy in my critiques.

 

However, the creation of the Stone Templars was requested by a small group of Salamanders who were the only Novices to survice the dropsite massacre. Leading this group of Novices was a 9-foot tall Astartes by the name of Ignis, who hailed from Nocturne and was one of the oldest marines in the chapter at that point in time. Some would even say that he was one of the strongest marines they had witnessed in combat, but still inferior to the Primarchs themselves. Some even claim that he is the son of Vulkan, fathered during his time spent living among the population of Nocturne before the Emperor's arrival to the planet. It was requested that this particular successor chapter be created for the purpose of defending and aiding citizens of the Imperium, primarily in the Segmentum Tempestus. It was requested that the chapter's size be larger than normal in order to allow themselves to be spread out more across the Segmentum Tempestus less thinly. Instead of the standard 1,000 marines, there would be 3,000 marines, but they agreed that it would follow the Codex Astartes and would apply its organization to a larger group of marines.

 

over the course of their training they are also tasked with building their own suit of Power Armor (currently they build a suit of MK. 8 Power Armor)

 

Hmph. Smells like Mary Sue to me. It's a rather foul stench.

 

Hey Lysimachus, do you think Chapters have the capacity to produce Landspeeders by themselves?

[Lysimachus]

Hey Lysimachus, do you think Chapters have the capacity to produce Landspeeders by themselves?

 

Hmmm, good question. If I'm honest, I'm not sure. As mentioned, TDA, Dreads and LR are difficult, and I'd guess that any of the Rhino variants (and bikes?) are pretty well within the capacity of most Chapters? Landspeeders are somewhere in the middle, definately higher tech than the basics, but I'm not sure if they'd be beyond their ability to build? Perhaps it would vary depending on the Chapter!

 

Anyone else know any more about this than me (not hard :D )?

[NightrawenII]

The Land Speeder is not hard to manufacture per se. The anti-grav plates the LS use are somewhat rare and mysterious technology. But the Imperial Armour says:

"In total, a typical Chapter might be able to field 50 plus Land Speeders of all types."

[ANGRYMARINE]

The Stone Templars were created from the gene-seed of the Salamanders Chapter; who had lacked the necessary manpower to train an entire new chapter following their crushing defeat at the Istvaan V dropsite massacre.

 

We're not sure this is the reason, so I would delete that.

 

However, the creation of the Stone Templars was requested by a small group of Salamanders who were the only Novices to survice the dropsite massacre.

 

I doubt the group of Novices would be able to convince the leadership to form a new chapter. They are Novices, after all.

 

They were novices when the Dropsite Massacre occurred, by that time they were Veterans in the chapter.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The Stone Templars were created from the gene-seed of the Salamanders Chapter; who had lacked the necessary manpower to train an entire new chapter following their crushing defeat at the Istvaan V dropsite massacre.

 

We're not sure this is the reason, so I would delete that.

 

However, the creation of the Stone Templars was requested by a small group of Salamanders who were the only Novices to survice the dropsite massacre.

 

I doubt the group of Novices would be able to convince the leadership to form a new chapter. They are Novices, after all.

 

They were novices when the Dropsite Massacre occurred, by that time they were Veterans in the chapter.

 

No one trains an entire Chapter.. By my own - often illogical - reckoning you'd get assorted specialists, a commander and maybe thirty or so Battle-Brothers with everything else to be created "as they go".

 

Secondly, why mention Istvaan at all? You can say that the Salamanders geneseed was used during the Third Founding without mentioning that "action".

 

Lastly.. the High Lords of Terra, the Inquisition and possibly the Adeptus Mechanicus can request/insist upon the formation of a new Chapter.. A bunch of line Astartes.. I do not think so.

 

With everything you must think two things "What does it add to the character of the Chapter?" and "Why?"

 

EDIT: Why does that paint scheme make him look like a biscuit?

[CantonWC]

Oh, I remembered to check the stickied time line. The Horus Heresy occurred in M31. The 3rd Founding occurs 001.M32, a thousand years later. Somehow, I doubt your novices are going to live for a thousand years.

[ANGRYMARINE]

I've made revisions to the Origins section. I'm pretty adamant about the Chapters size but I changed the circumstances of their creation. I'm also wondering if their Geneseed's characteristics are okay.

[CantonWC]

I've made revisions to the Origins section. I'm pretty adamant about the Chapters size but I changed the circumstances of their creation

 

Sorry, but no. I am calling BS.

 

Leading these two squads was a 9-foot tall Astartes by the name of Ignis, who hailed from Nocturne and was one of the oldest marines in the chapter at that point in time, serving in the Chapter near the end of the Great Crusade; but how he managed to survive for so long as an Astartes is not known by many. Some would even say that he was one of the strongest marines they had witnessed in combat, but still inferior to the Primarchs themselves. It is even rumored that he is the son of Vulkan, fathered during the time he spent living among the population of Nocturne as a blacksmith

 

Let's lay out the reasons.

 

Right out of the gate, he's stronger than everyone else except the Primarchs.

 

He's lived for a thousand years, with one or two exceptions only the Blood Angels exhibit such extended life spans.

 

He is the son of frickin' Vulcan. I didn't even know a Primarch could have kids.

 

He is a textbook example of a Mary Sue.

 

Gradually after it's initial creation the chapter grew from being composed of 1,000 Astartes to 3,000 Astartes as the Stone Templar's leaders agreed that having 100-men large companies spread across the large Segmentum Tempestus did not possess much staying power. Ignis, who had taken the position of Chapter Master once the new chapter reached full strength, proposed this idea to an unnamed Inquisitor who was inspecting the Chapter's gene-seed stock explaining the difficulty individual companies were having defending large populations spread throughout the Segmentum Tempestus. He suggested that the Stone Templars would face much less difficulty if they were permitted by the High Lords of Terra to have larger companies that would not need the support of another company which could be of use elsewhere. The Inquisitor, who had inspected the Chapter several times before was confident that Ignis was completely loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium and would not abuse his power if he were to command a larger force of Astartes. Ignis understood that he would face much suspicion for having a larger force of Astartes under his command, and agreed to undergo more frequent inspections by the Inquisition than a standard Chapter would. Ignis also suggested having twice the amount of Chaplains a normal chapter would have in order to ensure their total loyalty to the Imperium and the Immortal Emperor. The Inquisitor presented Ignis's proposal to the High Lords of Terra and after much deliberation, they agreed to the proposal under the conditions proposed and also under the circumstance that they adhere to the basic Chapter organization indicated in the Codex Astartes, only on a slightly larger scale. The High Lords treated the Chapter with much suspicion at first, but they eventually became assured of it's loyalty after the Chapter proved itself to be unwavering in their beliefs.

 

Sorry, but no. One Chapter does not spread out to defend an entire Segmentum. They defend what they can and they leave the rest to other Chapters. Which is why there are 999 other Chapters.

 

Why is this Inquisitor willing to cut the Chapter a break when one of the central tenets of the Inquisition is that no one is above suspicion? Why are the High willing to give this special favor? Why why why why why?

 

Do you remember what happened in the Horus Heresy? Horus was the greatest and most favored of all the Primarchs, the very pinnacle of humanity, second only to the Emperor himself. And he fell. He fell and he dragged the Imperium into the most devastating civil war humanity has ever known. No one is beyond corruption, not Horus, not your Chapter Master, nobody. What assurance do the High Lords have that this Chapter will not turn?

 

I do not see what adding an extra two thousand Marines to your Chapter does for their character other than make a grab at "We're special and so much better than everyone else."

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Some would even say... But all we know is: He's called the Stig!

 

I couldn't help it :(

 

 

Being adamant about something that goes against most of the central ideas of the universe is not a great idea.

[Candleshoes]

There is no way the High Lords of Terra, or the Inquisition would willingly allow your Chapter to have 3,000 standing marines. The shadow of the Heresy has passed, and in the rebuilding stages of the Imperium, when your Chapter is formed, you have to remember that Primarchs almost entered a second civil war over the regulations of the codex, in particular the dissolution of Legion numbers. If Dorn was refused earlier, why would your Chapter, years later?

 

Also, if you crunched the numbers with the lore, I don't actually believe the Salamanders could rebuild their shattered Legion strength, create a successor, who then recruits, creates and trains 3,000 astartes, in the time frame to make the third founding (15 Terran years only playing out as 1 year on Nocturne).

 

As far as "inheriting" the eye color, slower reflexes, and skin color, those have nothing to do with blood, and everything to do with the environment and gravity of Nocturne, so there is no reason your hive gangers would suddenly have onyx skin, red eyes, and have delayed reflexes.

[Aegnor]

Why are the "Templars" when they are neither knightly, or crusading?

[ANGRYMARINE]

I've made revisions to the Origins section. I'm pretty adamant about the Chapters size but I changed the circumstances of their creation

 

Sorry, but no. I am calling BS.

 

Leading these two squads was a 9-foot tall Astartes by the name of Ignis, who hailed from Nocturne and was one of the oldest marines in the chapter at that point in time, serving in the Chapter near the end of the Great Crusade; but how he managed to survive for so long as an Astartes is not known by many. Some would even say that he was one of the strongest marines they had witnessed in combat, but still inferior to the Primarchs themselves. It is even rumored that he is the son of Vulkan, fathered during the time he spent living among the population of Nocturne as a blacksmith

 

Let's lay out the reasons.

 

Right out of the gate, he's stronger than everyone else except the Primarchs.

 

He's lived for a thousand years, with one or two exceptions only the Blood Angels exhibit such extended life spans.

 

He is the son of frickin' Vulcan. I didn't even know a Primarch could have kids.

 

He is a textbook example of a Mary Sue.

 

It is rumored that he is his son. And this is rumored because of his higher-than average astartes strength. He is by no means slightly less stronger than any of the primarchs, but he slightly stronger than your normal Astartes, slightly stronger than Tu'Shan who is also known to be stronger than a normal Space Marine. It is rumored that he is Vulkan's son for several reasons; he could have inherited part of Vulkan's strength if he was his father, he was born on Nocturne around the time that Vulkan was living among the population, and of all of the primarchs Vulkan is most likely to have fostered some kind of relationships with female locals because he pretty much lived as one of them unlike most of the other primarchs who were found ruling over their own planets.

 

And its not like there are other Astartes who have lived for more than 1,000 years before Dante and not be interred in a Dreadnaught. And I am not going to make him live for 10,000 years either.

 

Gradually after it's initial creation the chapter grew from being composed of 1,000 Astartes to 3,000 Astartes as the Stone Templar's leaders agreed that having 100-men large companies spread across the large Segmentum Tempestus did not possess much staying power. Ignis, who had taken the position of Chapter Master once the new chapter reached full strength, proposed this idea to an unnamed Inquisitor who was inspecting the Chapter's gene-seed stock explaining the difficulty individual companies were having defending large populations spread throughout the Segmentum Tempestus. He suggested that the Stone Templars would face much less difficulty if they were permitted by the High Lords of Terra to have larger companies that would not need the support of another company which could be of use elsewhere. The Inquisitor, who had inspected the Chapter several times before was confident that Ignis was completely loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium and would not abuse his power if he were to command a larger force of Astartes. Ignis understood that he would face much suspicion for having a larger force of Astartes under his command, and agreed to undergo more frequent inspections by the Inquisition than a standard Chapter would. Ignis also suggested having twice the amount of Chaplains a normal chapter would have in order to ensure their total loyalty to the Imperium and the Immortal Emperor. The Inquisitor presented Ignis's proposal to the High Lords of Terra and after much deliberation, they agreed to the proposal under the conditions proposed and also under the circumstance that they adhere to the basic Chapter organization indicated in the Codex Astartes, only on a slightly larger scale. The High Lords treated the Chapter with much suspicion at first, but they eventually became assured of it's loyalty after the Chapter proved itself to be unwavering in their beliefs.

 

Sorry, but no. One Chapter does not spread out to defend an entire Segmentum. They defend what they can and they leave the rest to other Chapters. Which is why there are 999 other Chapters.

 

They do so to allow other chapters to deal with other issues.

 

Do you remember what happened in the Horus Heresy? Horus was the greatest and most favored of all the Primarchs, the very pinnacle of humanity, second only to the Emperor himself. And he fell. He fell and he dragged the Imperium into the most devastating civil war humanity has ever known. No one is beyond corruption, not Horus, not your Chapter Master, nobody. What assurance do the High Lords have that this Chapter will not turn?

 

I do not see what adding an extra two thousand Marines to your Chapter does for their character other than make a grab at "We're special and so much better than everyone else."

 

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes. And they are rarely in the same place at the same time, they're all spread out around the Segmentum Tempestus, and they only return to their homeworld when they have helped return stability to a devastated planet. They are like the Black Templars in some ways but they are much more structured and organized. And their leader is not in command of all of the Imperium's military forces, nor does he have 9 legions of Space Marines at his fingertips. He is not on the same level as Horus in terms of power and control.

 

Maybe you could suggest a way to make them less Mary Sue while still maintaining their size instead of simply pointing out any faults in their story and suggesting alternative reasons that would explain why they are larger than normal?

 

Why are the "Templars" when they are neither knightly, or crusading?

Because they are crusading constantly, albeit in a defensive manner.

 

As far as "inheriting" the eye color, slower reflexes, and skin color, those have nothing to do with blood, and everything to do with the environment and gravity of Nocturne, so there is no reason your hive gangers would suddenly have onyx skin, red eyes, and have delayed reflexes.

 

You are right about that, so I will change it. But is the thing about the Betcher's Gland okay?

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes.

 

 

The only chapters that are larger are the Space Wolves (first founding and as old as the Imperium itself, and even they don't have triple the numbers stated in the codex) and the Black Templars (Second founding so pretty much on par with the Imperial Fists themselves).

 

In the Space Wolves case, it's part of their character and since they don't break the limit too badly, it's not really a focus.

 

The Black Templars on the other hand are Games Workshop's own chapter and as such can do whatever the hell they like with them. Doing what GW does isn't always a good thing as a lot of what they have created is rather dodgily written and hardly justified even by their own universe. Then they retconn things in order to make it fit, which is silly at the best of times.

 

The Black Templars are a single, unique and absolutely special case.

 

So why exactly is your chapter so large? It adds virtually nothing to the character of the chapter, which is what an IA is all about. We know they kick everyone's arse. We know they are superhuman children of basically the god of mankind. What we want to know is who they are, not what they are. We know the latter already.

 

Also, chapter size is ridiculous considering other chapters have been purged for lesser infractions than that.

[Octavulg]

The Badab War involved less than ten thousand Marines at any one time, and was still described as the greatest threat to the Imperium since the Heresy.

[ANGRYMARINE]

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes.

 

 

The only chapters that are larger are the Space Wolves (first founding and as old as the Imperium itself, and even they don't have triple the numbers stated in the codex) and the Black Templars (Second founding so pretty much on par with the Imperial Fists themselves).

 

In the Space Wolves case, it's part of their character and since they don't break the limit too badly, it's not really a focus.

 

The Black Templars on the other hand are Games Workshop's own chapter and as such can do whatever the hell they like with them. Doing what GW does isn't always a good thing as a lot of what they have created is rather dodgily written and hardly justified even by their own universe. Then they retconn things in order to make it fit, which is silly at the best of times.

 

The Black Templars are a single, unique and absolutely special case.

 

So why exactly is your chapter so large? It adds virtually nothing to the character of the chapter, which is what an IA is all about. We know they kick everyone's arse. We know they are superhuman children of basically the god of mankind. What we want to know is who they are, not what they are. We know the latter already.

 

Also, chapter size is ridiculous considering other chapters have been purged for lesser infractions than that.

 

Now that I think about it, I think that I could go with something smaller in size. I was thinking maybe 1500, around the size of the Space Wolves I think, and the extra 500 would be Support Companies, which would function as backup to the main Battle Companies. The Reserves would be condensed into a 300 man reserve company who's primary purpose is to defend Petram from their frequent Ork incursions along with a Reserve Companies standard roles.

[NightrawenII]

It is rumored that he is his son. And this is rumored because of his higher-than average astartes strength. He is by no means slightly less stronger than any of the primarchs, but he slightly stronger than your normal Astartes, slightly stronger than Tu'Shan who is also known to be stronger than a normal Space Marine. It is rumored that he is Vulkan's son for several reasons; he could have inherited part of Vulkan's strength if he was his father, he was born on Nocturne around the time that Vulkan was living among the population, and of all of the primarchs Vulkan is most likely to have fostered some kind of relationships with female locals because he pretty much lived as one of them unlike most of the other primarchs who were found ruling over their own planets.

*cough* Mary Sue test *cough*

 

As for being the son of primarch... You know, here is this Primarch famous for his feasting and drinking habits. And from experience, I know you are capable of veeeeery crazy things when you're drunk.... So far, no rumour about his sons or daughters.

 

And its not like there are other Astartes who have lived for more than 1,000 years before Dante and not be interred in a Dreadnaught. And I am not going to make him live for 10,000 years either.

We, here in the Liber, are of strong opinion that the BL authors need "some" ruling.

 

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes. And they are rarely in the same place at the same time, they're all spread out around the Segmentum Tempestus, and they only return to their homeworld when they have helped return stability to a devastated planet. They are like the Black Templars in some ways but they are much more structured and organized. And their leader is not in command of all of the Imperium's military forces, nor does he have 9 legions of Space Marines at his fingertips. He is not on the same level as Horus in terms of power and control.

 

Maybe you could suggest a way to make them less Mary Sue while still maintaining their size instead of simply pointing out any faults in their story and suggesting alternative reasons that would explain why they are larger than normal?

Codex Astartes says, "By the will of God-Emperor, the Chapters of Adeptus Astartes will be thousand warriors strong. No excuses. No exceptions. One Thousand. I'm looking at you Dorn... Russ..." - interpretations may vary.

[CantonWC]

It is rumored that he is his son. And this is rumored because of his higher-than average astartes strength. He is by no means slightly less stronger than any of the primarchs, but he slightly stronger than your normal Astartes, slightly stronger than Tu'Shan who is also known to be stronger than a normal Space Marine. It is rumored that he is Vulkan's son for several reasons; he could have inherited part of Vulkan's strength if he was his father, he was born on Nocturne around the time that Vulkan was living among the population, and of all of the primarchs Vulkan is most likely to have fostered some kind of relationships with female locals because he pretty much lived as one of them unlike most of the other primarchs who were found ruling over their own planets.

 

By "rumored," you mean "Yes, he is his son, but I'm not going to tell you straight out so I have an out."

 

I don't see anyone else claiming to be the son of a Primarch. I don't know anything at all about the character of this guy other than he's special for some arbitrary reason.

 

And its not like there are other Astartes who have lived for more than 1,000 years before Dante and not be interred in a Dreadnaught. And I am not going to make him live for 10,000 years either.

 

Dreadnoughts live for thousands of years because that's what a Dreadnought is supposed to do: preserve the pilot inside. And when they're not fighting they're sleeping in stasis fields.

 

They do so to allow other chapters to deal with other issues.

 

And why do they have this special responsibility?

 

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes. And they are rarely in the same place at the same time, they're all spread out around the Segmentum Tempestus, and they only return to their homeworld when they have helped return stability to a devastated planet. They are like the Black Templars in some ways but they are much more structured and organized. And their leader is not in command of all of the Imperium's military forces, nor does he have 9 legions of Space Marines at his fingertips. He is not on the same level as Horus in terms of power and control.

 

You are talking about the Space Wolves and Black Templars, two unique cases. Both Chapters are incredibly ancient and well supported, and both don't give a crap what anyone else thinks and they have the prestige to get away with it.

 

Ydalir is absolutely right, GW sometimes makes up bull**** that conflicts with their own canon. Just because they do it does not mean it is a good idea.

 

So what if Ignis does not have the same level of power that Horus did? A single Chapter can conquer whole Sectors, and you're letting them have thrice that power.

[Generating Random Name...]

They're not the only Chapter to have more than the standard amount of Astartes.

 

 

The only chapters that are larger are the Space Wolves (first founding and as old as the Imperium itself, and even they don't have triple the numbers stated in the codex) and the Black Templars (Second founding so pretty much on par with the Imperial Fists themselves).

 

In the Space Wolves case, it's part of their character and since they don't break the limit too badly, it's not really a focus.

 

The Black Templars on the other hand are Games Workshop's own chapter and as such can do whatever the hell they like with them. Doing what GW does isn't always a good thing as a lot of what they have created is rather dodgily written and hardly justified even by their own universe. Then they retconn things in order to make it fit, which is silly at the best of times.

 

The Black Templars are a single, unique and absolutely special case.

 

So why exactly is your chapter so large? It adds virtually nothing to the character of the chapter, which is what an IA is all about. We know they kick everyone's arse. We know they are superhuman children of basically the god of mankind. What we want to know is who they are, not what they are. We know the latter already.

 

Also, chapter size is ridiculous considering other chapters have been purged for lesser infractions than that.

 

Now that I think about it, I think that I could go with something smaller in size. I was thinking maybe 1500, around the size of the Space Wolves I think, and the extra 500 would be Support Companies, which would function as backup to the main Battle Companies. The Reserves would be condensed into a 300 man reserve company who's primary purpose is to defend Petram from their frequent Ork incursions along with a Reserve Companies standard roles.

 

 

Normally you have the same ammount of reserves as battle companies (i think), and if you are aiming above 1000 marines why not say something along the lines of "the Stone Templars have 500 battle marines and 500 reserve marines, but they also have a higher ammount of scouts as recruitment is good/they recruit from alot of places" That would need some filling out obviously.

 

Someones probably got better ideas, or "no, just no"

[ANGRYMARINE]

I have made some major Changes to the Chapter. Hopefully they will seem a bit more plausible. Please comment. Also the Origins section is not finished yet.

[ANGRYMARINE]

I'm going to give these guys another shot, I am aware that this is a major bump for a thread this old but I'd like to overhaul these guy's fluff and change a lot of their background.

 

Heres the few changes I have in mind:

 

-None of that "Chapter master maybe being the son of Vulkan" crap

-Still gonna have them be offspring of the salamanders

-They're gonna have slightly over strength companies like the salamanders (10 made up of 120 marines each)

-There are going to be slightly above average numbers of scouts, a large amount are still going to be placed in the first company (possibly the reserve tactical company/companies instead) but they will be present in other companies in more of a support/sniper role

-The chapter will specialise in planetary defence and also exploring the reaches of space and finding new worlds for the Imperium to claim

-They will have close ties with the Salamanders

 

 

I'm probably going to change their chapter name to something more fitting but I'm keeping the stone part of it.

 

I'm open to suggestions or anything else that might contribute! 

[Ace Debonair]

Your new version's outline sounds pretty OK as a base to work from. I like the colour scheme, as a side note.

Bit stuck for name ideas; what sort of personality does your chapter have? That might help suggest some pretty killer name options.