Razorback TWL Assault Cannon Variant

[Coverfire]

I purchased a couple of Baal Predators for a Blood Angels force I was toying with. I decided the shave off the Blood Angels Iconography so I could use the turrents for Space Wolf Razorbacks. After toying with a couple of list ideas and writing them off as not having enough anti-armour I was struck with the thought that the upgrade was too expensive to be useful for a Space Wolves force.

 

What do you think? Am I right or do I have the wrong end of the stick?

[LoneSniperSG]

Seems like I used one once before, but mainly because I didn't have anything else to put on it. It was a temporary Razorback. Kinda befuddled my opponent who hadn't seen it before.

 

It never got to fire. I had to drop the Long Fangs inside it immediately, and it was fired on and destroyed in the next turn.

[Gerwulf]

My long fangs never leave home with a razorback. The TL-AssCan is my favourite option recently, although sometimes I use TL-LasCans.

 

The only time the long fangs deploy inside the razorback is during Dawn of War, where I use it to get them into position first turn (move 12", disembark 2", run d6" into appropriate cover). The razorback then provides backfield support by shooting at anything that threatens the long fangs (pesky genestealers), or advances with my rhinos.

 

All other games the Long Fangs deploy in cover while the Razorback provides some more fire-power. The las cannons were my standard armament at the beginning, to get more tank hunting firepower. But I have been playing a lot of monstrous creatures (Tyranids and deamons) recently, where the AssCan provides the extra firepower I need.

 

Some games it get's taken out fairly early, some games it kicks ass until the last turn.

 

Usually I run 3-4 GH packs in Rhinos and the razorback provides an additional target my opponent can't ignore.

 

Hope that helps.

[Sarapham]

I prefer to use 2 HB razors over Ass-cannon, at almost the same cost you get 2 more shots which think outweighs the extra strength. Sure you won't be able to hurt armor as an ass-cannon can but instead you add to you own armor saturation.

[Sigmund Hammerhand]

I'm not so sure assault cannons, in any way, shape or form are worth it these days thanks to the nerf in rending. My favourite is still that las-plas configuration. I don't use long fangs, so what I tend to do is use two predators with lascannon sponsons together with a full pack of hunters and the las-plas razorback to provide me with an extremely solid base of fire that can sit back on an objective and dare anyone to come closer.

[Bulweih]

Well I use mine quite frequently with good results, it's very useful against most(if not all) armies. So if you can get your hands on one, I'd say give it a try.

[PKAwolf]

ditto on the Las/Plas spam

if you run multiple RBs you dont feel the loss of twin linked on the lascannon. but once things get close enough to even 2 of them, up to 6 'wound on 2+' AP2 shots really hurt. plus they afford you a free wep destroyed result.

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Other options are much better, HBs because they're cheap, TLLC or Las / TLPG for ranged.

[dchmp]

If you use the TLAC you need to be at mid-field on turn one or they're almost useless, because they aren't hard to kill and can't move over 6 inches and fire. They also need to be spamed to work best. I use the TLPG/LC over the TLAC because they can be useful upfront or from long range. The TLAC is really best used by the BA because they have 'fast' tanks.

dchmp

[Coverfire]

So you would agree that for Space Wolves they're overpriced?

 

Would they become more desirable if they were cheaper? Or do they just not suit Space Wolves?

[dchmp]

I tend to think they don't suit SW. They can be used and be effective, if there is a lot of them and you get them into range. The better question is what type of list are they good in. If you run a list with at least 4 with GHs and WG in them, you'll have a good chance. That said GW does make Codexes that favor some choices over others; BA is the dex that makes the TLAC the best choice. How are you thinking of using them?

dchmp

[ShotgunFacelift]

If I have the points left over I tend to throw it in with my Long Fang Razorbacks.

Its a nice boost to have when something nasty infiltrates or outflanks.

 

But I find the basic tl Bolter razback work fine, and would rather throw in a powerfist somewhere instead.

[MaveriK]

I tend to keep my razors cheap, while putting the points elsewhere its really needed like my packs. If I have room, I'd consider it. I think its just the cool factor, and the look of it on a razorback that's appealing the OP. As for the point cost... I wouldn't complain, you don't want to get GW to nurf us in the future by giving what we have now to be more expensive. People who don't play wolves already cry foul or cheese because we have cheaper this and cheaper that. In the end, if you want to use it.. do it! its your wolves. If it works well for you, all the better!

[narf]

I currently use 3 Las/Plas Razors, and no long fangs in my army, backed up with 2 vindicators, and a further rhino.

 

If or when i find enough ML's to complete 2 or 3 long fang packs, then they will use normal HB razors, and the GH's will ride around in rhinos.

 

It depends what your tactics are, generally i use the las/plas as fire bases and close support, as the extra weapon (Lascannon+Plasma Guns) makes them more resiliant, and useful against all type of vehicles, and heavy infantry.

 

If or when i move to Long Fangs, having 10-15 ML's split over 2 or 3 squads, allowing me to target 6 units, whill mean that the razors, if bought, will be transport for the LF's in DoW, or general clean up and moving terrain to help shield the LF's.

 

I only really think that 2 types of Razor are any use in the SW army, that HB, as they are cheap, and Las/plas, as they are versatile. Twin Las, Assault cannon, MM, and heavy flamers just dont cut it for me.

[MaleOpener]

Before going "slogging" , I used TL~LC razorbacks as support for my LF packs.

 

They never actually rode in them, they sat close by and took out tanks here and there.

 

They were shot to hell, but they were shots not hitting my LFs or the TDA WG w/ CML leader.

 

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Now, my poor LFs have to carry their ale supply by themselves :P :lol: