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[Roesor]

Their training is the equal of the Astartes yes? Seen in their BS (and some of the WS) and just as zealous and so forth, so why do they not recieve a similar 'They shall no know fear rule'?

[AlexHolker]

Their training is the equal of the Astartes yes? Seen in their BS (and some of the WS) and just as zealous and so forth, so why do they not recieve a similar 'They shall no know fear rule'?

Presumably the Sisters don't get ATSKNF because they're highly trained humans and not highly trained hypno- and chemically-indoctrinated abhumans.

[Azezel]

I would surmize that they would indeed fit the role of a Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus specifically for these reasons. A Hereticus Lord would be responsible for discovery and identification of the heretic(s) and the SoB would be dispatched to deal with them. If, for example, the heretic and subsequent cult could be a significant if not a sizable (in numbers) threat if established on a Weapons or Munitions manufacturing Hiveworld. Dispatching an SoB force to deal with the threat would be paramount and having assets under the direct authority of the Ordos would seem most logical.

 

The Hereticus certainly need a Chammber Militant, and I have even stated a logical reason why they would be satisfied with one not directly part of the Inquisition. My point was that, of the three major Ordos, the Hereticus need their Chamber Militant less often. Most of the threats enncountered by the Hereticus are, while dangerous and evil, not beyond the capabilities of an Inquisitor and his retinue, or at worst, a platoon of stormtroopers.

 

PDF, IG and other indigenous forces request the aid of other Imperial assets on a regular basis (it seems). The Ordos (Malleus and Hereticus) also request assests to deal with situations that require more than they are capable of dealing with individually for a number of reasons too. The size (numbers) of the enemy would be the easiset to understand. A contingent of SoB's obviously could not deal with a Hive Fleet on their own.

 

Funny you should mention 'nids. Saint Praxedes and her sisters managed to hold of Hive Fleet Kraken long enough for Okassis to be evacuated, once the last of the civilians had escaped, she pressed into Tyranid held territory to conduct a guerrila campaign against them. She was the first canonical character to kill a Hive Tyrant in hand-to-hand. Since no-one saw her die (well, the plannet is overrun by 'nids, so there's no-one to see her die), some say she lives yet. And let's face it, if anyone can survive on a planet overrun by 'nids it's Praxedes, who beat a Hive Tyrant to death with her sceptre and out-snuck Lictors. She's like Sly Marbo in Power Armour.

 

If the heretic they seek has enlisted the Hive via a network of Genestealers and so on the Hereticus would request diversion of Imperial assets within the sector to be able to appropriately handle the situation. Imperial Fleet, Astartes or even the inclusion of an Ordo Xenos Kill-Team and so on.

 

This isn't at all to say they couldn't manage situations on their own with assets under their direct jurisdiction. More that interaction, allies in game terms, forming a composite force is far from beoing out of the question. Surely the Inquisition does not have the same amount of resources dedicated to their logistical functionality as the Astartes ot IG for instance. They do have access to these elements but not in the same levels of demand as other Imperial Forces do. The slight exception would be the GK of the Malleus.

 

Yes, I would argue that the Hereticus has as much a legitimate need for a Chamber Militant as any other Inquisitional element. Minimizing any need for such due to exercising an option to requisition Allies doesn't fit so neatly. They would not have the same "understanding" nor "zealous" intent as a dedicated Chamber Militant could exercise on a given threat.

 

My point is that the Hereticus does need a Chamber Militant, but not as often as other Ordos, and when it does, it is rarely deployed as an army for open battle.

 

The Ecclesiarchy on the other hand conducts constant wars of faith*, during which the Sisterhood is deployed as an army and battle is waged. Given the above, the Inquisition can reasonably be absent from the codex. The case of Battle Sisters being deployed as an Inquisitorial asset, rather than an Ecclesiarchal one is better suited to Dark Heresy than 40k.

 

 

In fact, every Imperial war is a War of Faith. Every secular war is also a War of Faith, but not every War of Faith is a secular war. Because they fight in everyone elses wars, and have private wars of their own, the Ecclesiarchy may actually be involved (to some degree) with more wars than any other Imperial organisation.

 

Given that Inquisitorial battles are fairly rare, and Ecclesiarchal battles are constant, including Inquisitorial elements in the codex seems somewhat indulgent.

 

 

 

Their training is the equal of the Astartes yes? Seen in their BS (and some of the WS) and just as zealous and so forth, so why do they not recieve a similar 'They shall no know fear rule'?

 

Battle Sisters recieve the finest training the Imperium can provide - for a mortal. There is an upper limit to how much a girl can learn in 17-20 years. Astartes are plugged into a teaching-machine that uploads 'how to kill' date directly into their subconcious. At the same time, it removes the part of a person's mind that causes fear-responce.

 

Sororitas spend their childhood and adolessence in Scholae Progenium, in classrooms, gymnasiums and shooting ranges and recieve education not only in matters of war, but in theology, litturgy, philosophy, linguistics, history, medicine, oratory, singing, you-name-it. All sororitas noviciates recieve the same education to start with, only specialising later. It produces a more well-rounded (in some ways) individual, but not nearly so perfect a killer.

 

That kind Hospitalier selflessly healing the sick? Yep, she can put a bolt-round through a moving target at thirty yards - and the Power Armoured killer can debate obscure points of theology with Preists.

 

Beyond that, one's tempted to say that they don't recieve any special morale rules becauuse GW just like Marines more - on the other hand, we get the Book of St. Lucius and that might be just about the best five points in the whole damned game - so I'm happy.

 

That St. Lucius was an inspiring man.

[JaqTaar]

Their training is the equal of the Astartes yes? Seen in their BS (and some of the WS) and just as zealous and so forth, so why do they not recieve a similar 'They shall no know fear rule'?

 

You shouldn't translate rules into background. Their BS for example is equal simply due to the constraints of the game mechanics. Based on the background a Marine should have better BS than a SoB (or a veteran guardsman and such), but with profiles of 1-10 and a D6 system, there's not much room for giving them better stats.