Quick Painting Query

[goldenwonder]

Hi all;

 

Hopefully this is applicable here - if not I apologise in advance.

 

I've recently discovered a local stockist of Vallejo Model Range paints. I've seen mention in the past of the Game Colour range being positive and I was wondering if this extends to model range? I've tried a couple of Colours don't produce for Slaaneshi elements in my CSM force and am considering trying them for my Blood Angels.

 

Otherwise I will probably end up trying Mech Red+Blood Red or some similar variant(?).

 

So I have two questions:

1) Are Vallejo Model Range paints better tha GW's? I haven't matched any of the colours to make a direct comparison but the two colours I have tried impressed me.

 

2) What would be the best shades to try for a Blood Angels force? i.e. not too dark but not too bright/orange either?

 

Much as I love Blood Angels, I have never felt so much stress over finding a paint scheme (there is a reason I end up putting the force on hold multiple times and nearly turned my Deathwing Project into a full-bore Dark Angels force). Deathwing is a piece of cake compared to Blood Angels believe it or not. I just want a quick, very simple method of painting to gaming standard.

 

Any feedback would be much appreciated!

[Highborn Mergula]

I think that vallejo is way better because they have pretty much every GW's paints, there cheaper,there bigger.

Here's a conversion chart for Gw paints to vallejo : http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Ra...atibility_Chart

for example GW bad moon yellow is the EXACTLY same colour as vallejo bald moon yellow.

 

//HB M

[Brother Nathan]

from what ive herd generally vajello is better, though gw metals are better. and everyone like their reds differently.id sy undercoat black, merherite red base coat, babda black wash then whatever red to bring the pannels back to the colour you want, be it a bright blood red or a darker red gore. or anything in betwen..

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Tamiya also produces a very good line of Coloured Sprays if you want fast an easy table top. after primer: A quick spray, A dry brush, Details, Wash will get you done rather quickly

[Quixus]

AFAIK Vallejo model paints and game paints are more or less the same except the model paints do not have bastardized GW Names like Scorpion Green -> Scorpy Green, Regal Blue -> Imperial Blue etc. So if you want to get GW equivalents, finding them will be easier with the Game Color but otherwise buy what is cheapest.

[Redfinger]

I have been using vallejo paints now for about 10 years, and I absolutely love them, they have great color ranges, easy to use, I can use them in my airbrush, the hand brush nicely and blend wonderfully.

 

To answer your specific questions about colors, I use the following;

 

Flat Red

Black Red

Red

Sky Grey

Foundation White

 

these are the colors I use for the basic foundation of my marines.

 

1.First off the mini gets airbrushed w/ black red that has been thinned down w/ Windex, and that has had a further drop or two of a 50/50 mix of future and water, this serves to harden the paint a bit.

2. The next thing I do is take the red and touch up any spots that the spray may have not reached.

3. 3rd is a highlight airbrush coat of flat red, this is sprayed downward while holding the mini in such a way that the flat red spray is only sprayed from the top down, cathcing only the edges of the mini

4.Next comes the flat red that I use as the initial foundation of my highlights, this is brushed on the edges, then I then start mixing the sky grey and flat red to build the highlights up with the final highlight being applied as a mix of foundation white and flat red

 

Here is a pic of the finished result;

 

 

And a link to a series of fictures that describes the above proceedure;

 

https://picasaweb.google.com/RedModeling/AirbrushMini#

 

Have fun and enjoy working with those paints!

 

Ashton

[goldenwonder]

Thank you all for the brilliant feedback.

 

I think I will definitely experiment with Vallejo paints - thankfully, I have a number of metal Death Co models whech can be used as test models and stripped later.

 

Highborn Mergula that colour chart is fantastic, a real time and money saver.

 

Redfinger - thank you for sharing your painting method. The end result is fantastic (especially the face in the picture). I do have one quick question though - you make reference to use of an airbrush. I've been thinking about an airbrush for a while. Would one of the GW spray guns achieve the same effect or is it more for basecoating? When it comes to airbrushing I have a lot of interest but very little knowledge.

 

Again thank you all for the help, it is much appreciated.

[Brother Nathan]

from what ive heard about arbrushes, get a proper one. the gw one is cheap for a reason. and also get a compressor rather than gas tins. youll save money in the long run that way.

[Bat33.1]

from what ive heard about arbrushes, get a proper one. the gw one is cheap for a reason. and also get a compressor rather than gas tins. youll save money in the long run that way.

 

Good advice Brother nathan :D

 

A compressor will pay itself back very quickly for the price of 7-8 cans of air you can buy a compressor and if you are using an airbrush regularly those 8 cans will not take long to get through. The GW brush is a very basic spray gun with little control - it's fine for base coats but not much more.

 

As for Vallejo (VMC) paint the Game Color range was developed by VMC to replace the GW range but for some reason GW had a change of heart and dropped the idea. VMC then went ahead and released the range themselves hence the names and colours being very close indeed Blood Red and Bloody Red being impossible to tell apart in colour terms for me. The VMC bottles are 17ml while GW are 12ml and cost more - go figure. Game Color has finer pigments and more of it than Model Color but they are compatable and can be mixed as can the Model Air range which are said to be ready to airbrush out of the bottle but most people still dillute them further. One other tip don't buy VMC thinner in the 17ml bottles as they sell a 200ml bottle for the model air range which is the same stuff and costs around £8 as opposed to £1.75-£2 for the 17ml dropper bottle. They also sell 'ready to airbrush' primer in white, grey, and black in 60ml and 200ml bottles which also work out cheaper and they brush on just fine too.

[Bat33.1]

As brother Nathan said above most people find the GW metallics have better coverage than Vallejo but if airbrushing GW metallics Tamiya thinner works better but don't mix Tamiya thinner and Vallejo paint as it can result in a sticky mess.

 

Tamiya do some nice metallics colours with good coverage and there are no problems using a mix of all 3 on the same mini just keep the tamiya coats separate from GW/Vallejo.