obs0l3te Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So we have a 40k Campaign Coming up that involved Multiple Sectors, and the only way to travel to a new sector is to have a Gothic Fleet (Or beg a ally to move you) Gives lots of good advantages to have a gothic fleet... so.... My Night Lords need a Ride... Warmaster 1 Re-Roll Despoiler Repulsive Acheron 2x Carnage Devastation 2x Infidel Any advice on changes? I need a all comers type list, I know there is a Marine Player, Nids, Orks and Tau. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 All comers Chaos lists don't typically include despoilers. Most chaos lists tend to follow this theme: Desolator 2x Devastation 2x Acheron 2x Carnage Some will also base their fleet around a hades and murder if they prefer more front firepower: Desolator 2x Hades 2x Murder 2x Devastation Most people avoid the repulsive and despoiler because of their speed. Escorts are also not common in chaos fleets, especially just two. That's basically free VP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2661220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hurm, well I wanted to use the despoiler because it had a "Battle barge" feel to it. For the Night Lords. Any idea what I could do with the two escorts? or do some ship swapping? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2661308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Drop them completely. You lose more by dropping cruisers to take more escorts as Chaos. If you are really serious about using the despoiler, I guess you could try something like this: Despoiler 400 Murder 170 Murder 170 Acheron 190 Acheron 190 Slaughter 165 Slaughter 165 Warmaster (50) It's not quite as efficient as the desolator based fleets, but at least it gives you focused lances on the prow with the murders and despoiler if you decided to close and decent broadside support with the murders and acherons if you try to stand off. Keep the slaughters together and they can make a decent mess of things while taking pressure off the rest of the fleet. Be careful since they are pretty zippy and easy to overextend giving your opponent the chance to knock them out easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2661746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 just out of curisoty Vaaiish why arent despoilers taken all that often? seems like a very capable vessel to me :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2662084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 They are slower and far more expensive than desolators and Devastations can provide the AC ore cost effectively. That kind of makes them an odd man out especially since that nice S7 Lance to the front only comes into play at 30cm and you typically want a carrier hanging back out of the fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2662292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 So after reading most of these responses... and noticing that the despolier can be made into a desolator easy (I just don't like how the desolator looks) Repulsive Carnage Murder x2 Devastation x2 Desolator I think with the fact that I have 9 torps with the Desolator and 6 out of the repulsive (15 torp wave) thats fairly big from what I can recall!! and have some ships to play defense via the devastations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2663477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 That's a better list, but I'd seriously think about taking a Hades or Acheron instead of the carnage. The repulsive can handle the long range battery fire and having an acheron to go with the desolator or a hades to pair up with the murders will all work better than the odd carnage you have there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2663509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Smitty Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well what Vaaish has said in earlier post is very valid and generally spot on, in my opinion do not count out the despoiler in your fleet. I use mine as a line breaker in every list I have. The 7 lances locked on will tear down anything but a battleship and I use these coupled with the ordinance to punch through the enemies' lines. I'll always take 2 or 3 slaughters as they are cheap(er) and can free up points that I need for the despoiler. The bonus with the slaughters is that they move 30cm and can be my reactionary force pretty easily (and they pack a punch when squadroned in 2 or 3's) Granted the desolator is the cheaper option and fills a specific niche in a good chaos fleet but the despoiler can also be used very well, especially against IN where the lances can strip off hits despite the 6+ bow save. Just my $.02 :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222584-bfg-chaos-list/#findComment-2673595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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