Alpharius and Omegon not Primarchs?

[Captain Idaho]

I was dossing around in the office today and a thought occurred to me whilst thinking about the Heresy novels. Is it possible that Alpharius and Omegon are actually not Primarchs? It seems to me that this would be impossible given the established background material, but could it be that the Alpha Legion replicated themselves as loyalists Chapters do today, with the two Primarchs just being fraudulent imposters?

 

Before the indignant fan-rage hits me like a hurricane, bear in mind I am fully aware of every bit of fluff barring the Visions of Heresy books and some BL novels set in the "current" time line.

 

So just how feasible is it? Looking at the reunification between the Emperor and Primarchs, we never really hear about how the Emperor knows that they are infact his creations. Does he probe them with his psychic might, or do a purity genetic test? I would imagine the latter would be done for sure, as it isn't as intrusion (and therefore as offensive) to the Primarchs, and would be neccessary for sampling of material to create geneseed.

 

However, when we look at the reunification of the Emperor and Alpharius, we have conflicting information. As the Heresy novels unravel, it is looking far more certain the Index Astartes Alpha Legion is wholly inaccurate. There was only a single Primarch described in it for a start, and Alpharius was described as being tall and strong (the equal to Horus), which was transposed to his Legion.

 

This we know is false, as Alpharius is much shorter than regular Primarchs and only a little taller than the larger Astartes. Omegon is also never mentioned.

 

But these gaps aside do not mean they are imposters of course. What made me think of this is the nature of the Primarchs. They seem so different to their brethren and were found so much later than all their brothers it doesn't seem quite right unless they were hiding themselves etc.

 

I know, we are still in conjecture land, but that is what this thread is all about!

 

Allow me to make my pitch

 

I am raising the possibility that Horus discovered the Primarchs and there was a failing in purity tests he was not aware of. Perhaps the Primarch twins were able to plant DNA which specified they were the Primarchs, culled either from the corpse of the real Primarch (or twins) or else just taken from the geneseed of the Alpha Legion.

 

We know The Emperor created the Legions without the Primarchs, including the Alpha Legion several decades before. Geneseed wouldn't be impossible to obtain.

 

And being trusted, The Emperor didn't question Horus' declaration that he had found the lost Primarchs.

 

To fit this (tenuous?) theory into the story, we have to accept that perhaps the visions of the twins in The First Heretic were possibly false. They were from a Daemon anyway!

 

We also have to accept the Emperor accepted Horus' word, which also isn't a far stretch.

 

Lastly, we have to accept Horus method for checking the purity of the Primarchs was flawed.

 

These things aren't impossible.

 

And if this theory was infact true, it would go some way to explain their separate doctrine and the seculsion they held themselves in with regards to the brotherhood of Primarchs. Look how different they are to the Ravenguard, who are covert how an Astartes should be (to get the job done quickly and because Astartes are designed to be sledgehammers not secret agents). It would also explain their size disparity and the way their martial capacity is less than the other Primarchs (remember how Alpharius was actually beaten in a sword fight by that black agent fella in Legion?).

 

I dunno, it's all just a bit of fun, but it makes you think eh :devil:

[Gv0zD]

That's a pretty interesting insight.

 

Speaking of the twins' unusual size and lack of combat prowess. I think that can be caused by their nature - there was supposed to be one primarch, but somehow two were born (chaos tricks? could be), so they share the genetic material used to create one being. I'm not good at anatomy and genetics, and I can't tell how do actual twins happen, but the primarchs were fully engineered (artificially bred) so there is no place for "nature will find its way".

 

To cut my long story short - Alpharius and Omegon could be literally half-primarchs.

 

I doubt that some imposters were able to imitate the primarch's (and hence - the Emperor's) gene-seed. Were they not primarchs, they should have somehow modified the astartes physiology (to get at least slightly taller than regular astartes), and only the Emperor possessed such knowledge and skills. And if they were imposters, who were they? Where did they come from?

 

Just my thoughts.

[Kitchen Knife]

If I remember correctly (please correct, if I'm wrong :devil: ), the first meeting of Alpharius and Horus was during the boarding of Alphies "pirate" vessel. There it also says, that Alpharius nearly cut Horus throat and stopped, because they recognized each other (being super-human, badass primarchs). I think it was written in the 2nd edition of codex chaos.

So anyone who could get close enough to stab horus in a combat (regarding, that Alpharius may not have the best equipment/armor/weapon like Horus) is very likely to be a primarch or another super- human(?????), who rivals to the primarchs in power, reflexes etc. Taken this meeting between Horus and Alpharius, the primarch of the XX legion must have been one of the best cc-fighters.

 

And regarding the swordfight in Legion. It is more likely that the "Alpharius" who got stabbed from the Lucifer Black is actually Sheed Ranko, who uses the "And that is all you will get"-quote around page 88 where the lucifers discover the death of one of there own, and during the swordfight at the end of the book.

 

So I don't think, that Alpharius/Omegon (or even their possible impositors, as you theorized) where martially weak.

[Razhbad]

Its an interesting concept now if i remember correctly the cabal say they are one primarch not two. The idea is 1 soul in two hosts, it could be that when the Primarchs went through the warp that the XX son was ripped in half in a warp kind of fashion thus having 2 bodies for 1 Primarch.

 

I like the idea that they were not Primarchs the only problem is that Horus realised Alpharius was his brother the moment they met, the cabal also claim that the being is the Emperor's son, as we all know.

 

But your idea is really interesting and would be cool to read. The only flaw is that the Emperor is the most powerful Psyker in existance the moment he would have met Alpharius he would know whether he was a Primarch or not.

 

Thanks for your idea though it makes a nice change to what people usually put.

[Aegnor]

Alpharius did meet the Emperor though, and I'm pretty sure He'd be able to tell if Alpharius was a fake. Otherwise it could just about fly.

 

Jeez the Lucifer Black stabbing Alpharius really annoys me - one real off note in the otherwise excellent Legion. I hadn't considered it might be an imposter - I'd chosen to take it that it was Alpharius playing some kind of game, or showing some kind of twisted gesture of respect to a fellow warrior.

[The_son_of_Dorn]

it plays into their combat tactics, even their legionaries all have surgery too look alike, the enemy you will suffer the most from is the one you believe you have killed

[Captain Idaho]

Whilst not martially weak, a Primarch should not be struck so cleanly by a mere Human, and nor should a Space Marine. That smacks of inferiority to a "normal" Primarch's combat skills to me.

 

Hmm, I don't recall information regarding Horus' discovery of Alpharius in 2nd edition. 3rd edition had the Index Astartes article which had Alpharius leading a fleet of small ships against a Lunar Wolves Strike Cruiser, boarding it at the height of the battle. Horus transfered to that Strike Cruiser and Alpharius attacked the bridge.

 

There was no mention of a knife though. Horus shot dead his companions, so Alpharius lunged at him, taking a bolt round to the shoulder. He stopped dead when he was face to face with Horus, hands outstretched to choke Horus, as realistation of their kinship dawned on him.

 

I doubt that some imposters were able to imitate the primarch's (and hence - the Emperor's) gene-seed. Were they not primarchs, they should have somehow modified the astartes physiology (to get at least slightly taller than regular astartes), and only the Emperor possessed such knowledge and skills. And if they were imposters, who were they? Where did they come from?

 

Ha I don't deny there are more questions raised by my little theory, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

 

It's worth pointing out they didn't need to imitate the geneseed of the Emperor, as Astartes grow geneseed for use in new Space Marines themselve. He would only have to fall the checks in place to confirm whether he was the Primarch, and we know the Emperor wasn't around to do those checks when first Alpharius was revealed...

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Jeez the Lucifer Black stabbing Alpharius really annoys me - one real off note in the otherwise excellent Legion. I hadn't considered it might be an imposter - I'd chosen to take it that it was Alpharius playing some kind of game, or showing some kind of twisted gesture of respect to a fellow warrior.

 

It was, because Alpharius then says "That's all you get.." or something along those lines, meaning - in my opinion - that he had one chance, allowed by Alpharius, to stop him.

[Gv0zD]

It's worth pointing out they didn't need to imitate the geneseed of the Emperor, as Astartes grow geneseed for use in new Space Marines themselve.

The Astartes descend from the primarch, who in their turn descend from the Emperor. So in certain meaning the Emperor is every space marine's grampa. So if those imposters attmepted to forge primarch's gene-seed they should have forged the Emperor's one as well.

Or do you propose that they had access to the astartes gene-seed before they met any of them? Or they somehow met before Alpharius was officially discovered by Horus? :angry:

Or they killed the real Alpharius and used his gene-seed to get in his place when the Imperium came? How did they knew it? ;) :wacko:

How did they knew that Alpharius was a primarch before even Alpharius didn't know it? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

[Razhbad]

Jeez the Lucifer Black stabbing Alpharius really annoys me - one real off note in the otherwise excellent Legion. I hadn't considered it might be an imposter - I'd chosen to take it that it was Alpharius playing some kind of game, or showing some kind of twisted gesture of respect to a fellow warrior.

 

It was, because Alpharius then says "That's all you get.." or something along those lines, meaning - in my opinion - that he had one chance, allowed by Alpharius, to stop him.

 

I took this meaning as well. The Lucifer Black was allowed to strike him just once.

[Kitchen Knife]

Jeez the Lucifer Black stabbing Alpharius really annoys me - one real off note in the otherwise excellent Legion. I hadn't considered it might be an imposter - I'd chosen to take it that it was Alpharius playing some kind of game, or showing some kind of twisted gesture of respect to a fellow warrior.

 

It was, because Alpharius then says "That's all you get.." or something along those lines, meaning - in my opinion - that he had one chance, allowed by Alpharius, to stop him.

 

That's because it was Sheed Ranko :angry:

[Captain Idaho]

It's worth pointing out they didn't need to imitate the geneseed of the Emperor, as Astartes grow geneseed for use in new Space Marines themselve.

The Astartes descend from the primarch, who in their turn descend from the Emperor. So in certain meaning the Emperor is every space marine's grampa. So if those imposters attmepted to forge primarch's gene-seed they should have forged the Emperor's one as well.

Or do you propose that they had access to the astartes gene-seed before they met any of them? Or they somehow met before Alpharius was officially discovered by Horus? :teehee:

Or they killed the real Alpharius and used his gene-seed to get in his place when the Imperium came? How did they knew it? -_- :D

How did they knew that Alpharius was a primarch before even Alpharius didn't know it? :) :wacko: :wacko:

 

Index Astartes Alpha Legion states the Emperor created the Alpha Legion using geneseed grown from those left after the 20th Primarch's disappearance. This is supported in Tales of Heresy when Khârn is remembering back to the days of his Legion before being reunited with their Primarch, referring to each of the Legions eagerly awaiting their own reunification. There are also other pieces of background material, for example the Index Astartes Ultramarines, that confirm the same thing. The Ultramarines were assigned to Guilliman and their forward base moved to Maccragge.

 

We also hear about the Terran Marines alot, like Garro. These were the Marines around before the reunification of their Primarch but still used their geneseed.

 

;)

 

So the Alpha Legion certainly did exist before reunification of their Primarch, though how long is up for conjecture.

 

The rest fits. The Great Crusade had been around for over 100 years before Alpharius was discovered, therefore common knowledge of the Primarchs would be expected. The "imposters" could have hatched a plan to meet up with Horus which explains the attack on the Strike Cruiser...

[GooseDaMoose]

Horus recognised Alpharius in the same shady way that more or less all of the Primarchs recognized the Emperor or other Primarchs. By some deep-seated magical knowledge that "that guy rocks as much as me."

 

As for their meeting, Alpharius boarded Horus' vessel and got to the the throne room where Horus immediately shot dead the intruders, except Alpharius who somehow with super human reflexes dodged the bullet. Then, as Alpharius lunged at him, they both realised, magically, as these things go, that they were brother Primarchs. Omegon probably wasn't there because they decided not to risk both leaders in a crazy attack like that.

 

As for a "mere human" being able to wound a Space Marine, there is plenty of evidence of that in the canon. That remembrancer's bodyguard with the deamon weapon holds his own against Iacton Qruze and even almost wins. The Lucifer Blacks are supposed to be the best, most elite guard in the entire Imperium. Plus we don't know it was actually Alpharius.

 

The weaker than other Primarchs things could be any number of things. Lorgar is for example pretty easily defeated by Corax and Alpharius and Omegon are two halves of a Primarch as someone said. I know all that shnazz is suspect as a lot of the information came from a dodgy alien organization, but Dan Abnett had to have SOME way of telling us some cool background stuff, so I think it's fully believable.

 

And I'm out.

[Ferrata]

As the Heresy novels unravel, it is looking far more certain the Index Astartes Alpha Legion is wholly inaccurate.

I would disagree - it is more that it is being ret-conned. The twin thing was something completely new thrown in by Abnett when writing the book, it kinda fits and is kinda cool but I would start ripping your IA up yet.

 

As for the two not being the Primarchs, I would have to say relatively conclusively no. The Cabal were pretty confident that they need to talk to both of them, so I would presume they would be able to tell whether or not they were Primarchs or not.

[Gv0zD]

Index Astartes Alpha Legion states the Emperor created the Alpha Legion using geneseed grown from those left after the 20th Primarch's disappearance. This is supported in Tales of Heresy when Khârn is remembering back to the days of his Legion before being reunited with their Primarch, referring to each of the Legions eagerly awaiting their own reunification. There are also other pieces of background material, for example the Index Astartes Ultramarines, that confirm the same thing. The Ultramarines were assigned to Guilliman and their forward base moved to Maccragge.

 

Yeah, I know. About the Terran marines and the legions existing before uniting with primarchs... And I'm aware of the fact that Emperor used the gene-seed templates to create the legions....

 

But there is no evidence of someone creating primarchs before/after the Emperor did it. And even the Emperor did not create another 20 primarchs - he was searching for the existing ones (I think because it was too complicated even for him).

 

If you say that there were the primarch imposters (duplicates, or clones - so they could pass the genetic purity tests) you should say that there was someone capable of doing it, and here is the flaw in your theory. If there was a being so skilled and powerful (and not the Emperor) why didn't he/she/it showed him/her/itself for 10 000 years?

I'm not saying there were no means of doing it, I'm saying there was no one capable of doing it.

[A_POINTED_STICK]

Just a thought, Alpharius isn't extra short IIRC the AL are all very tall.

 

My stance is always that there is no canon because it's all lies. However if its cool go with it in your version of the universe. I kind of like Alpha (ironically the last Primarch) and Omegon thing and Guilleman was the inverted-Omega so I assume he killed Omega for symbolisms sake. I prefer to use the HH series as a template but a lot of it isn't to my taste and I'll adjust it to fit what I like.

[Captain Idaho]

Horus recognised Alpharius in the same shady way that more or less all of the Primarchs recognized the Emperor or other Primarchs. By some deep-seated magical knowledge that "that guy rocks as much as me."

 

As for their meeting, Alpharius boarded Horus' vessel and got to the the throne room where Horus immediately shot dead the intruders, except Alpharius who somehow with super human reflexes dodged the bullet. Then, as Alpharius lunged at him, they both realised, magically, as these things go, that they were brother Primarchs. Omegon probably wasn't there because they decided not to risk both leaders in a crazy attack like that.

 

Ah but did he? The same source which tells us how Horus met Alpharius goes on to describe how tall and strong Alpharius was and the article veracity is questionable anyway.

 

How much of the article is true is debateble and probably best not to go into for fear of consuming this thread in a sink of off-topic flame wars. Suffice to say, it isn't a far stretch to imagine Horus didn't meet Alpharius quite like that...

 

I would disagree - it is more that it is being ret-conned. The twin thing was something completely new thrown in by Abnett when writing the book, it kinda fits and is kinda cool but I would start ripping your IA up yet.

 

As for the two not being the Primarchs, I would have to say relatively conclusively no. The Cabal were pretty confident that they need to talk to both of them, so I would presume they would be able to tell whether or not they were Primarchs or not.

 

Oh without a doubt! What I do like is the way the IA articles aren't just being thrown out, they are being painted as a historical account which is possibly incorrect. It does feel deliberate; the BL novels being the true accounts from whatever persective they are written from while the IA articles are the historical account written by the winners of the conflict.

 

As for the Cabal, meh *shrugs* They aren't infallible.

 

Don't get me wrong, this is a theory I very much doubt we will see expanded upon by GW, but right now it is plausible if unlikely. All we need is a good author to make it work... ;)

 

But there is no evidence of someone creating primarchs before/after the Emperor did it. And even the Emperor did not create another 20 primarchs - he was searching for the existing ones (I think because it was too complicated even for him).

 

If you say that there were the primarch imposters (duplicates, or clones - so they could pass the genetic purity tests) you should say that there was someone capable of doing it, and here is the flaw in your theory. If there was a being so skilled and powerful (and not the Emperor) why didn't he/she/it showed him/her/itself for 10 000 years?

I'm not saying there were no means of doing it, I'm saying there was no one capable of doing it.

 

Ah but I never once said the imposter Primarchs were Primarchs themselves did I. The theory doesn't fall down here because they aren't the same creations the Emperor alone could create. They are something else entirely.

 

Alpharius and Omegon could be creatures like the Thexian Elite (pg 117 of the rule book) for all we know!

[GooseDaMoose]

Yes, yes he did.

 

I'm not sure which article you're referring to, but what I read it merely says that he "towered over" Horus' troops. Now that may be flowery language but it certainly doesn't claim he's big and strong and the baddest mofo ever to grace the galaxy, it just says he was bigger than normal Space Marines. Which, what with him being a Primarch, isn't unheard of -_-

 

The article veracity, if you were a historian in the 41st millenium, is indeed questionable. But considering these articles were written with the sole intent to provide us with information about Alpharius or whatever else, I think we can believe them. Otherwise we'll have to start questioning everything :D

[Captain Idaho]

That's the whole point of the article's closing information and Legion; you are supposed to question everything!

 

And the article (Index Astartes Alpha Legion) heavily implies Alpharius was taller for a Primarch. It even talks of how those with his geneseed grew to be tall and strong like their Primarch. It describes how he was a collosus who tore through the Ultramarines until meeting Guilliman, his equal in stature and prescence.

 

As implication may have been a deliberate red hearing, we at least know there is some misleading evidence in there.

[shatter]

Cute thread... =)

 

If I was Him on Terra, I too would have said AL was made of odds and ends and so forth... as misinformation is one of their weapons and He arms His men well for the parts they're to play.

 

In short, we really know next to nothing.

 

Personally, I think He would know a Primarch by it's 'warp signature' like Obiwan & Yoda can detect the farce in the talented.

I'm also 100% sure He would take a moment out of His busy schedule to meet them at least the once. The fate of mankind is in their massive hands, after all.

[Alkana]

So just how feasible is it? Looking at the reunification between the Emperor and Primarchs, we never really hear about how the Emperor knows that they are infact his creations. Does he probe them with his psychic might, or do a purity genetic test? I would imagine the latter would be done for sure, as it isn't as intrusion (and therefore as offensive) to the Primarchs, and would be neccessary for sampling of material to create geneseed.

 

Judging from the stories of other Primarchs, it actually seems like they were psychic beacons that The Emperor followed. Even if Horus was wrong about Alpharius being a Primarch(although what else would be able to dodge a bolt round and then advance while being shot by even more?), The Emperor would've known it was an imposter when they met, and he wouldn't have been given a Legion to command.

 

Also, Alpharius seems to be around the same height as the other Primarchs. It was harder for some to distinguish Legionnaire from Primarch simply because the Alpha Legionnaires were taller than normal. I don't know why everyone seems to think Alpharius/Omegon was short.

[Candleshoes]

As much as I would like to think this theory is something you actually believe, it is more likely you are just making it and "defending" it for amusement.

 

That being said, you can do one of three things. Accept the IA as truth, accept some aspects of the IA as real, or accept it all as a lie. We know for a fact that it is not all truth, so that leaves us with options 2 and 3. Either it is all a lie or bits are true. If it is all a lie, then there is no need for this conversation, as there is nothing to base it off of, save what is written in codices and Abnett's Legion.

 

I am going to assume then that you believe parts of it. To that end, and what some others have said (and I have the IA article infront of me):

 

1) The Emperor met Alpharius in the article, it is safe to assume that "truthfully" he likely met him. His judgment of Alpharius' worth is paramount as the greatest psychic being in the Imperium. It is also possible the Emperor knew, or found out about both of them, even if only one of the twins traveled back to Terra. If they were imposter "Primarch(s), and they lied outright to the Emperor, as normal mortals who tampered with the affairs of Primarch and their father, The Emperor would likely have seen through it and your theory is wrong, unless you have evidence to support the claim that they have the mental capabilities to best the Emperor of Mankind. Fact) John Grammaticus could tell when they were lying, how difficult could it have been for the Emperor?

 

2) If we are to believe the space encounter with Horus occurred, as it did in the IA, we must believe that the imposter "Primarch(s)" led a fleet of inferior spacecraft against the Warmaster of Mankind, got aboard his ship, infiltrated it to the bridge, and allowed 5 members within killing range of the Warmaster himself. This is an impressive feet, unrivaled by any adversary in the crusade, bar none. Yes, 4 are killed outright by Horus, but "Alpharius" is shot "multiple (read multiple in the IAA)" times by Horus and his guards and weathering through the firestorm. This is also an unrivalled feet, for a mortal (think biologically and logically what would happen to a man who was shot that many times by bolt rounds, close range).

 

 

...and the way their martial capacity is less than the other Primarchs (remember how Alpharius was actually beaten in a sword fight by that black agent fella in Legion?).

 

I smiled at this, for this shows you did not understand Legion in context. Though the name "Alpharius" was used in that last chapter, the "Primarch" using it was neither Alpharius, nor Omegon. The "Primarch" who was stabbed by the Lucifer Black at the end of the novel, and who said "For the Emperor" was actually Sheed Ranko. The way you can tell this, is on pg 170 "Omegon" is hit in the chest with Dinas Chayne's sabre and states, "...that's all you get." pg 188 it is revealed that "Omegon" at that moment was actually Sheed Ranko. pg 409 Dinas Chayne embeds his sabre into "Alpharius", who then says "That's all you get,". This doubled event signal was done on purpose, to let the reader know the situation is mirrored, and that it was the same person, saying the exact same thing to the same person. Very clever of Abnett in my opinion.

 

Ranko was enormous for an astartes, and it is stated that he doubled well for both Primarchs. There is no reason to assume that neither Alpharius or Omegon are not as big as other Primarchs, especially if Legion the novel only counts on the two of them only needing to be of similar size to Ranko, who was much bigger than normal astartes. They don't dress in a manner of opulence, and are normally helmed, there is so little information to call upon size as an inconsistency. Rather it seems you are speculating that the human perception in Legion plays one way, as opposed to the human perception of Primarchs of another Legion, who normally are encumbered by all the trappings of their position and assault the senses in a much different way.

 

Also, Alpharius seems to be around the same height as the other Primarchs. It was harder for some to distinguish Legionnaire from Primarch simply because the Alpha Legionnaires were taller than normal. I don't know why everyone seems to think Alpharius/Omegon was short.

 

QFT.

[BassWave]

I find it fitting that an Ultramarine is trying to bash on the Alpha Legion's Primarchs :P

[Captain Idaho]

I find it fitting that an Ultramarine is trying to bash on the Alpha Legion's Primarchs :P

 

Whose bashing them? Haven't critisised them once (apart from calling them liars indirectly).

 

As much as I would like to think this theory is something you actually believe, it is more likely you are just making it and "defending" it for amusement.

 

Rather it is something I am presenting as an alternative to encourage a bit of imagination and have a bit of fun. Defending it is a neccessity because, well, what would the point of the thread be if I let it die in a single reply!

 

I smiled at this, for this shows you did not understand Legion in context. Though the name "Alpharius" was used in that last chapter, the "Primarch" using it was neither Alpharius, nor Omegon. The "Primarch" who was stabbed by the Lucifer Black at the end of the novel, and who said "For the Emperor" was actually Sheed Ranko.

 

No, I understood it all. I actually said the following;

 

Whilst not martially weak, a Primarch should not be struck so cleanly by a mere Human, and nor should a Space Marine. That smacks of inferiority to a "normal" Primarch's combat skills to me.

 

and it wasn't in my initial pitch. My mistake was not clarifying that the event was likely not Alpharius, but if it does it shows his martial abilities were less than other Primarch. If it was a Space Marine of the Alpha Legion, he didn't seem that skilled to me and the Primarchs abilitie are echoed in their Legion.

 

Regardless, it was a moot point and hardly worth bringing up. To critisise my understanding on a single, swiftly made post whilst I was busy in an effort to discredit me or make yourself seem superior means this was definitely not worth bringing up.

 

The greatest hole in this theory is the Emperor. He is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy (allegedly) so if he met Alpharius he should have known. Unless the author is particularly clever...

[Captain Idaho]

Also, Alpharius seems to be around the same height as the other Primarchs. It was harder for some to distinguish Legionnaire from Primarch simply because the Alpha Legionnaires were taller than normal. I don't know why everyone seems to think Alpharius/Omegon was short.

 

Logical assumption. The Primarchs were huge, much larger than an Astartes. Just as a Space Marine could not pretend to be a normal human, a Primarch could not pretend to be a Space Marine. For even a tall Space Marine to pretend to be a Primarch and it have any possibility of being pulled off in front of other Astartes or those who understand the difference and nature of Astartes and Primarch, the Primarch being impersonated would have to be somewhat smaller for this to have any hope of working.

 

Could an Astartes pretend to be Angron or Russ or Ferrus Manus with any feasibility? They are obviously too large. The other Primarchs weren't midgets in comparison though, so for the twins to be so easily impersonated by a Space Marine, even a freakishly large one, they would have to be somewhat smaller than these Primarchs.

 

If the twins are the size of other Primarchs, that makes anyone who believes Sheed Ranko is a Primarch an ignorant individual.

 

It's been a while since I read Legion, is there a quote which describes the size disparity here?