yhta Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 HI!. i come here. because i have a question. what legion was the biggest legion of all?(im talking about numbers of marines) i ask this because a friend told me that the TS was a big legion and that i remember. the TS was a small legion like SW and EC. but now i don`t really know. and sorry for my English. and from venezuela and i know now read English but speak and write in English are very deferent. a least for me are deferent. so sorry if i have a mistake Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The Ultramarines numbered around 250,000 marines, making them the biggest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2662496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 IIRC the two largest legions are the Ultramarines and towards the end of the GC the Word Bearers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2662497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have never seen any fluff that indicates anyone was larger than the Ultras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2662505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Even with the fluff in The First Heretic it only ever indicates that the Word Bearers took the number 2 slot with size. The useful thing is that due to the Ultramarines lack of involvement and huge numbers by the time the HH ended they were still absolutely huge and were the main driving force in the time of scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The Ultramarines being 250,000 is canonical, and they were the largest Legion. According to The First Heretic, the Word Bearers were the second largest Legion (IIRC 100,000 - not sure where I saw this number). TS were relatively small Legion. Like the EC they suffered the initial flaw and flesh change, so Magnus had to restore them just like Fulgrim did (Magnus just lacked Fulgrim's strive for perfection), so they couldn't have reached the sizes of WB, not mentioning Ultras. If memory serves (sadly, it does not sometimes ;)) the TS accounted 2 or 3k before the SW attacked them. Nearly 1k survived and were teleported to the Planet of Sorcerers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberium40k Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 the Word Bearers were the second largest Legion (IIRC 100,000 - not sure where I saw this number). The First Heretic probably. If memory serves (sadly, it does not sometimes :lol:) the TS accounted 2 or 3k before the SW attacked them. Nearly 1k survived and were teleported to the Planet of Sorcerers. I dont think the TS were under 10.000 before the Battle of Prospero. Ahriman states at some point that only one tenth of the Legion survived the initial stages of the Battle of Prospero, and considering little of over 1k Thousand Sons made it to the Planet of the Sorcerers that makes their Legion strength somewhere around 10.000 before the BoP. Of course, it would be nice if we got more specific info on this, but the HH writers seem to think strategy and the disposition of forces dont matter to the Horus Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberium40k Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 what legion was the biggest legion of all?(im talking about numbers of marines) As others have stated, the Ultramarines numbered an unprecedented 250.000 Space Marines at the height of the Great Crusade. It is part of the reason Horus ordered Guilliman to the Eastern fringe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I dont think the TS were under 10.000 before the Battle of Prospero. Ahriman states at some point that only one tenth of the Legion survived the initial stages of the Battle of Prospero, and considering little of over 1k Thousand Sons made it to the Planet of the Sorcerers that makes their Legion strength somewhere around 10.000 before the BoP. Of course, it would be nice if we got more specific info on this, but the HH writers seem to think strategy and the disposition of forces dont matter to the Horus Heresy. Oh, thanks for clarifying. I forgot Ahriman mentioning that nearly 1/10 of the Legion survived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 ADB said recently in another thread that it is canonical that the Legions were 100k in size. I'm assuming he also meant to add the Ultrasmurfs were the largest at around 250k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 ...but we have other canon that implies they are smaller...in the same series Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 ...but we have other canon that implies they are smaller...in the same series That's because BL didn't firmly set the Legion sizes until A Thousand Sons. Add a zero to any Legion size number given in every HH novel prior to that, and you'll have the real number. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Indeed but as ADB has said before much of the information on legion sizes was done by authors who had no official size for a legion. An official size came out after a thousand sons was released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The "official" size that had been the basis for a lot of the 40K background (such as the numbers of Chapters created during the Second Founding, the traditional Company numbers of the Space Wolves and Salamanders, and a few Index Astartes articles) was about 10,000 warriors per Legion, with the Ultramarines numbering 25,000 at the time of the Second Founding. But with the advent of the detailed Horus Heresy storyline it was decided that these numbers were not epic enough. Inconsistencies with established background be damned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222683-the-biggest-legion/#findComment-2663712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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