narf Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Hi guys has anyone been using the confrontation Wolfen models as thundewolves? I've seen a couple on ebay and whilst expensive, they look really nicely detailed, and about the right size to put on dreadnought bases. does anyone have any of these, and could they post a picture of the size comparisons to normal marines? Also how would people feel about playing against or with these models as part of an army, in place of the TWC? personally as i dont intend to make any character/HQ TWC i am happy to use these ones and use large hammers, shields etc on the Wolfen as TWC/giant werewolves, which to my mind fits better than PA marines riding round of strange Squirral-dogs/battle-cats etc thoughts and ideas folks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 When I was testing TWC out when the book 1st came out... I actually used these... they are basically two space Marines tall. I thought I had a picture to compare but I don't =/ They are nice models, but very expensive. If I recall I bought the Wolfen Box back in the day (used to play Werewolf the Apocalypse) it was like 60 or 80- bucks..... I think now though you can buy the Mythicast, Mr. Dandy, or the Russian wolves for cheaper than you can get those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2663533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Small problem to point out. Wolfen and Devourers are bipedal. While some of them are the size of a Dreadnought, they are still walking upright on 2 legs. Doesn't quite work for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2663602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Small problem to point out. Wolfen and Devourers are bipedal. While some of them are the size of a Dreadnought, they are still walking upright on 2 legs. Doesn't quite work for me. ^^^^THIS. Wulfen for a 13th Company is even a stretch because of them being nearly MC sized, IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2663657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 But that makes sense to me, who is to say that how the wulfen sees himself isn't reflected physically in the Eye? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2663668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine77 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would have to say that I love the old Rackham metal models. The Wulfen models would be cool, but they would be a stretch to play as thunderwolves. They definitely wouldn't work as mounts for a marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Santiago Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not as mounts, but consider that the wolves are described as being horse sized, mix that with the 7' tall marine, and suddenly its not much of a stretch to say these are my Wulfen, fully transformed, counts as Thunderwolves. I'm checking prices for the models, that idea is badass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 They are NOT cheap. Just sayin'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Santiago Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I saw a pack of three that looked good enough to work off of, only $21, two of those and you have a unit of five plus one for another character or something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 they are nice models! huge compared to a space marine. the only thing that might go against you during friendly games are TLOS, or just basic LOS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I have a Devourer army...don't think that this hasn't crossed my mind several times, problem is that they are painted like a Berserker cult.... I haven't looked at the prices lately, just thinking about what happened to Rackham makes me sick. Yeah they are big, but then if you look at Canis in comparison....all you need is a 60mike base and you are GOLDEN!! Not legal by any sense of the word in any kind of official tourney... but good enough for government work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 One 'dirty' secret to Warhammer 40k is that you can use anything to represent anything if it's even in the same size ballpark, and if it looks half-way decent and is consistent and clear (be it via labeling or some other method), nobody will care in a casual setting. For tournaments, of course, you can only use anything as long as you bought it from Citadel. So long as you did, you're pretty much golden. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Hammerhand Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 For tournaments, of course, you can only use anything as long as you bought it from Citadel. So long as you did, you're pretty much golden. Dunno where you get that from. Whether it is a citadel product only matters in GW-hosted tournaments. Otherwise no one gives a darn where you got the models from. And GW tournies are few and far between. I haven't been to any, yet, and I've played plenty of tournies. Far as I know, there aren't even any where I live. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 One 'dirty' secret to Warhammer 40k is that you can use anything to represent anything if it's even in the same size ballpark, and if it looks half-way decent and is consistent and clear (be it via labeling or some other method), nobody will care in a casual setting. For tournaments, of course, you can only use anything as long as you bought it from Citadel. So long as you did, you're pretty much golden. -Stormshrug Thats just not true, I've played in tournaments at Warhammer world with my mythicast wolves and all I have had is admiring glances from GW employees. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfenstein Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Well this is just my $0.02 on the models. I find them to be atrocious. They look odd and I don't see SW going near them, except to maybe eradicate the presence in whatever part of the galaxy they would be from. Along the lines of tournies. I've been to some tournies where they did not allow anything that wasn't 50% GW made. That being said to clarify more, I mean plasticard, GS, and GW models from the start. I've seen people have to sit out there TWC at the last minute and bring in their backup list. It really just depends on whoever is running it. (Like GW Store Managers saying SW can use a Stormraven) But, if the Confrontation Wolfen models are what you like, use them. I will not hate on you if you put work into your models. No matter what other people say, they are YOURS to be proud of. Plus, I am always open to having my mind blown by awesome conversions! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I have a couple I've used as Demon Princes in my Wolf themed Tzeench/1K Sons Chaos Army. What better to strke fear into a space wolf than to face the mutation of the Iconic Fenresian Ideal on the battlefield? Never saw them as crossover usable for my Astartes Space Wolves though. Just my vision, that's all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 No Model = You can use what ever you want. Model is in production = You have to use Citadel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2664721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfenstein Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 No Model = You can use what ever you want. Model is in production = You have to use Citadel. I still don't think that is true. It just depends on your area's ability to follow the GW guidelines. If they are hella strict, then well, you could be screwed come tourney time. Also as stated above, I've seen a couple of tournies where it had to be the majority of a GW model. To elaborate, using another GW model with GS conversions to make it what it needed to be. Plus, they technically do have a TWC model even though most of the gaming community hates it. Dun dun dun... But if it is for friendly matches and people have problems with it... you probably shouldn't play them either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2665092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamadea Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I used to play wolfen for Confrontation and still have most of my stuff. I also picked up 15 of the pre-painted plastic ones on clearance from The Warstore a while back specifically to use as thunderwolves. The idea was for an army completely succumbing to the mark of the wulfen and these were just marines so far gone as to not even be recognizable as human, or else possibly as a Wolf Brothers chapter before it was destroyed by the =I=. Either way I kinda halted it before anything really came of it, for 2 reasons. First, the models don't entirely work right as stand-ins without a lot of work. The Devourers might be a bit better with how much armor they wear, but wolfen gear is a bit too hand-crafted looking, and not enough were-once-men-using-whatever-still-works-in-their-oversized-paws enough. They're also not as big as you might think, they fill a 40mm base quite well and are suitably larger than a marine to warrant the statline of thunderwolves, but on a 60mm base they look quite small, which means mount them on 60mm bases and they won't look right, or keep them on smaller bases which some opponents may take issue with (depends completely on who you play with) As importantly, I realized I was going to have to explain it over and over and FREAKING OVER again to EVERY SINGLE person that walked by me as I was playing a game at any FLGS, for as long as I played the army :) Also, thats a lot of work for something that could easily be disallowed even at unofficial tournaments at the whimsey of the people running it, which may or may not affect your local playerbase. For me it all added up to me not really going forward with the idea Anyways, most importantly: PICTURES! http://www.pbase.com/emberviii/image/132640183/medium.jpg http://www.pbase.com/emberviii/image/132640183 http://www.pbase.com/emberviii/image/132640188/medium.jpg http://www.pbase.com/emberviii/image/132640188 Sorry it's kinda blurry, don't have a tripod to take photos from far enough away to get them all in the shot. Left to right : Maxminis wolf cavalry; Hordes Warpwolf warbeast; GW wulfen; metal wolfen; plastic wolfen More comparison shots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2665325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinkelley Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Group shot Comparison shot Comparison shot Some of the squad Iron priest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2666094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 One 'dirty' secret to Warhammer 40k is that you can use anything to represent anything if it's even in the same size ballpark, and if it looks half-way decent and is consistent and clear (be it via labeling or some other method), nobody will care in a casual setting. For tournaments, of course, you can only use anything as long as you bought it from Citadel. So long as you did, you're pretty much golden. -Stormshrug Thats just not true, I've played in tournaments at Warhammer world with my mythicast wolves and all I have had is admiring glances from GW employees. They were ignoring the guidelines for the sake of pragmatism, then. Every official GW sanctioned event technically requires something like 70% of the model to be Citadel, but sometimes local employees will turn a blind eye for various reasons (such as if the only practical option is to use non-Citadel models (Thunderwolves, Stormraven for a while)). As to the comment about that being only for GW sponsored tournaments - yes, that's true... obviously? I guess I didn't feel the need to point it out, but it's a fair observation nonetheless. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222785-confrontation-wolfen/#findComment-2668249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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