alfred_the_great Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Fluff-wise, can anyone think of a reason why this couldn't happen? I appreciate that it probably wouldn't work on the tabletop, but I've moved away from the game per-se and much more interested in writing short, fluffy (in every sense!) stories. Thoughts, comments? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Fell Hand Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Absolutely. Thats one of the things I love about the Wolves, they are "based" on the Space Marine way, but do things their own damn way. Scouts have the toughest job of all really, one who went through hell and back could definitely get promoted. Also too the scouts aren't rookies, but experienced veterans so it makes perfect sense! My two cents :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell93 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wolf Scouts are chosen because they are more solitary figures so I'd say they wouldn't make great wolf guard because wolf guard are leaders and packmates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Fell Hand Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wolf Scouts are chosen because they are more solitary figures so I'd say they wouldn't make great wolf guard because they are leaders and packmates. Yeah but you can assign a WG pack leader to scouts :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wolf Scouts are chosen because they are more solitary figures so I'd say they wouldn't make great wolf guard because they are leaders and packmates. You contradict yourself Brother. Because they are unlike Astartes Aspirants the Space Wolf Scouts have progressed through decades upon decades of service to their Wolf Lord and are truly experienced Veterans. It make sense to me that they could very well be chosen by said Wolf Lord as a member of his Wolf Guard. I would wager that Erik Morkai's great Company, having a much higher number of Scouts by comparison, would have a few if not several members serving as Wolf Guard that were once Wolf Scouts. In game mechanics it seems that once promoted to Wolf Guard one can no longer access the years of training and xperience one had when they were a member of a Wolf Scout pack, however, fluff wise it fits like a glove. Crossover confusion between game rules and mechanics and fluff can get one off track. That is why we are here. Discussions to clear any of the confusion away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 As I said, I'm not using this for a tabletop basis, solely for a story. I'd forgotten than a WS Pack can have a WG leader - works perfectly for my purposes. Thanks y'all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell93 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wolf Scouts are chosen because they are more solitary figures so I'd say they wouldn't make great wolf guard because they are leaders and packmates. You contradict yourself Brother. Nope just terrible grammar, I'm to relyant on chrome's spell checker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Fluff-wise, can anyone think of a reason why this couldn't happen? I appreciate that it probably wouldn't work on the tabletop, but I've moved away from the game per-se and much more interested in writing short, fluffy (in every sense!) stories. Thoughts, comments? Just remember that [Wolf] scouts aren't the new Marines they are in Codex chapters. They are as good or better than Grey Hunters and so are valid as Wolf Guard candidates ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I'mma say no, because I'm an old fogie and stick to what was laid out in the 2nd edition codex: http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/Wulfebane/SWCompany.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2664989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wolf Scouts are chosen because they are more solitary figures so I'd say they wouldn't make great wolf guard because wolf guard are leaders and packmates. Yes, but as I would understand it, a leader is not necessarily pals with the men he leads. So an antisocial Space Wolf that becomes a Scout and then a Wolf Guard Pack Leader would just be one of those that keeps a distance between him and the men he leads. Besides what better candidate for Scout pack leader then a Wolf Scout? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffydd Fireclaw Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I'mma say no, because I'm an old fogie and stick to what was laid out in the 2nd edition codex:http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/Wulfebane/SWCompany.jpg Well to those of us that do use the SW fluff bible, I would agree with the this. Of course if you'd rather use the 5th ed codex fluff, then there is nothing stopping you from promoting a scout to wolf guard or indeed battle leader if he has performed a truly great deed. Entirely up to you which set of fluff you choose to stand by, but I'm more of a 2nd ed fan personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Yes, but as I would understand it, a leader is not necessarily pals with the men he leads. So an antisocial Space Wolf that becomes a Scout and then a Wolf Guard Pack Leader would just be one of those that keeps a distance between him and the men he leads. Besides what better candidate for Scout pack leader then a Wolf Scout? I agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Hammerhand Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Given that wolf lords tend to promote their warriors whenever Papa Smurf would give the most disapproving glare if he were to find out, I don't see any problem promoting a wolf scout to wolf guard at all. In the end, being wolf guard doesn't mean the guy wouldn't get to go on solidary missions any more - he'd just get better equipment doing so. As long as he doesn't get his freedom restricted, I wouldn't say he'd mind at all. Although he might object to having to wear power armour... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaleOpener Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Seems ok by me. Since wolf scouts can be led by wolf guard, one can say that wolf guard was once a wolf scout <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwulf Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Space Wolves don't get promoted into the Wolf Guard by seniority or being veterans. What get's you promoted to WG is doing a valorous deed, even a Blood Claw can be promoted to WG if he performs a special deed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarul Greystalker Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 There are no problems with it under the apparent new codex organization with scouts being part of the great companies. According to the older material, scouts are/were part of the household of the Great Wolf. I still see no problem with them being promoted to wolf guard in this circumstance, but they would probably remain a part of the household of the Great Wolf. So it seems possible, even under old codex rules, that you could have former wolf scouts serving as wolf guard. They might only be present in Grimnar's company, or they might be allowed to return to their old companies and serve under their former lords if they wish. Since their time as wolf scouts would then be over, they would not necessarily have to remain part of the household of the Great Wolf, but it would be strange serving as wolf guard to a lord whom they have not served for some time or by whom they have not been elevated to that rank. Therefore, it seems unlikely that wolf scouts would return to their old companies upon promotion except in cases where they maintain strong ties to their old companies (perhaps because they deploy alongside them often). By the way, my main HQ character is a wolf guard amongst Grimar's inner circle who was once the most accomplished wolf scout in the chapter. I think it makes for some very interesting story angles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2665368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'mma say no, because I'm an old fogie and stick to what was laid out in the 2nd edition codex:http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/Wulfebane/SWCompany.jpg I always love how we have 12 companies, while the book-thumpers limit themselves to ten. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2667286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I always love how we have 12 companies, while the book-thumpers limit themselves to ten. That's not even including our rogue elements wandering the galaxy at the moment. Hells, for all the Imperium knows, the Wolves might very well have thirty, forty, a hundred companies out there somewhere. It's always so nice NOT to be bound by the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/222878-wolf-scout-to-wolf-guard/#findComment-2667370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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