Plasma pistols

[Gornar]

I was wondering if a wolf guard with a powerfist and plasma pistol be worth the 48 points considering it is a one wound model. I would add him too 9 grey hunters with a melta gun plasma pistol motw riding in a rhino. My understanding is that a melta gun and pistol are assault so can be shot out of a rhino moving 12in a turn.This makes it a 253 point unit and i would plan on running two for my compulsory troop choices in a 1750pt list. My second option would be 10 grey hunters melta gun plasma gun plasma pistol motw pf in a rhino at a cost of 245. Option one has one extra assault plasma round an pf attack while option two has one plasma round at 24in one extra at 12in 8 points cheaper and leaves my elite choices wide open ( i have dreams of maybe 2 lone wolves in vanilla raiders and a 6 man scout squad for the risky reserve roll ). I can't see much the first option couldn't take a gud chunk out of if i got an assault off and 8 bolters a squad is reassuring to if a different approach is needed. For 298pts u could get a wolf priest wolf gaurd (pf) 8 grey hunters melta gun rhino so i don't know if around the 250 point mark is a good place to be.

[Wulfenstein]

For the Wolf Guard:I am personally not a fan of plasma pistols. Most people here would recommend the combi-choices. So either a melta or plasma attachment. Plus, you have more attacks base with the PF.

 

For the Grey Hunters: Same thing, I would save the points not using a plasma pistol and run 9 w/ meltagun or plasmagun, motw, ws, and possible a power weapon if you like them. (Remember it still adds as 2 cc weap in assault vs. the pf) Then add your wolf guard.

[Growler67]

Search much? Many of the pros and cons were discussed recently here in thi Rules thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=222498

[Decoy]

What Growler says is true; the pros and cons are discussed adequately there.

 

Likewise, it holds little to no bearing on your current question. :P

 

Plasma Pistols are generally not worth it. If you happen to be going against a lot of Marine-equivalent armies, there are much better options if you want AP2 firepower.

 

Off topic (somewhat): Of greater concern is your (apparent) desire to run only TWO troops choices. Grey Hunters are the best Troops choice in the game, they're dirt cheap, and they're dead 'ard. You should form your army around a solid core of Grey Hunters as opposed to tacking them in just to fill a Force Org chart. Don't get swept away in the awesome units; you pay for them dearly, and without a solid core to back them up, you'll be racking up loss after loss after loss. I would suggest rethinking how you're going to work your list if you want it to stand a chance at being even mildly competitive, even in casual games.

[narf]

also if the tank moves 12" then no-one can fire from inside, they have to get out.

 

Also whether they only move 6" in the tank or get out and shoot, they have a reduced range on the rapid fire weapons, as they count as moving.

 

for the cost its cheaper to go with:

WG, PF, Combi melta

9 GH, MG, MOTW

Rhino

= 233

 

you can then always add extra armour or/and a wolf standard

 

this gives you better anti tank, a higher leadership, more PF attacks in combat, less chance of killing your own people

[Niiai]

A late game dorp pod with 10 wolf guard, 1 plasma pistol and 2 plasma guns would give 5 plasma shots late game witch could be quite devestating against many things, moastly MC's and terminators.

[TiguriusX]

A late game dorp pod with 10 wolf guard, 1 plasma pistol and 2 plasma guns would give 5 plasma shots late game witch could be quite devestating against many things, moastly MC's and terminators.

 

 

I think you meant 10 GH...in which case it would also count as scoring.

 

If you dropped WG you could put 2 combi-plasmas instead of a PP to rapid fire 4 plasma shots instead of 1. The tradeoff is no more plasma after.

 

But this is theory crafting and going away from the original question...

 

Plasma pistols are generally not worth it....I only upgrade wolf priests to carry it when I have points to spare and rarely I may want to mix things up and give my Plasma GH squad a PP as well.

[Sarapham]

What others have said is true, plasma pistol is a bit limited in use though I have found a WG Pack Leader with PP and a PW to be rather fun ,not to mention look awesome, against the vile Maleficar (CSM). For the cost of the fist you get 4 ignore armor attacks on the charge as well as the ability to pick things off rather well with the pistol. Of course not as good as a Fist/Combi, but variation is fun :rolleyes:

[Quillen]

I have always used plasma pistols. Even with the plasma nerf of 3rd and 4th and now 5th edition. It's solid. A combi gets one shot and is done. A plasma pistol can fire every round. I would get it on a Grey Hunter thou, for the second free special weapon. I have used my plasma pistol to kill all sorts of things in countless tourniments. You might burn your self, but it is always there. With a Power weapon you get the second attack.

 

They also did a power fist nerf this edition. Said too many people always took fists. Well with Eldar Wraiths and tanks everywhere you need fists. Go Figure.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Are plasma pistols worth their points?

 

No.

 

That said, all my Grey Hunter units take them, because sometimes you just need an extra high strength low AP shot.

 

I wouldn't take one on the Wolf Guard though. One bad overheat and you lose the guy with the big glove.

[Niiai]

Yeah I meant the grey hunters. :-)

 

If you are facing tyranids the late game drop pod of 6-7 combi plasma Wolf Guard (mean wolf guard this time) is also solid. In short plasma is not for mech but for what is inside the mech. Plasma is very veyr very good, I try to have some in each army, but melta is more omportant,

[Schertenleib]

I would get it on a Grey Hunter thou, for the second free special weapon.

 

 

You can take a Plasma Gun as the second free speacial, not a plasma pistol.

[WG Vrox]

I only run a PP in my 10 man Drop Podding GH pack that also has 2 PG, MotW, and Banner. Other squads will usually have WG for which I would rather put the points into him. Never will a WG carry a PP, if I am going to take a PP it makes much more sense to put one on a normal GH rather than risk a higher point model with the same save and BS.

 

 

Regardless you do not want to match a PP with any other type of wargear such as PF, MotW, or even a banner, you just have to assume the first shot is going to overheat and kill him, anything beyond that is the Emperor's good grace watching over him.

[Matt D]

I would get it on a Grey Hunter thou, for the second free special weapon.

 

 

You can take a Plasma Gun as the second free speacial, not a plasma pistol.

plasma piistol is a separate line item so you can have 2 Pg's for 10pnts and 1 PP for 15 in the same pack.

[WolfLord Digby]

What Growler says is true; the pros and cons are discussed adequately there.

 

Likewise, it holds little to no bearing on your current question. :(

 

Plasma Pistols are generally not worth it. If you happen to be going against a lot of Marine-equivalent armies, there are much better options if you want AP2 firepower.

 

Off topic (somewhat): Of greater concern is your (apparent) desire to run only TWO troops choices. Grey Hunters are the best Troops choice in the game, they're dirt cheap, and they're dead 'ard. You should form your army around a solid core of Grey Hunters as opposed to tacking them in just to fill a Force Org chart. Don't get swept away in the awesome units; you pay for them dearly, and without a solid core to back them up, you'll be racking up loss after loss after loss. I would suggest rethinking how you're going to work your list if you want it to stand a chance at being even mildly competitive, even in casual games.

 

Couldnt have said it better, every list should be made around a solid block of grey hunters...