Wulfebane Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If I were to replace a standard dreadnought's CCW with an autocannon or missile launcher, are they effectively boned in the Assault phase? Also, the codex says you can replace the CCW, but it doesn't say whether or not you retain the built-in storm bolter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The Storm Bolter is part of a Dreadnaught CCW. Dreadnaughts can fight in the Assault phase using their normal Attacks characteristic, but reduced to Strength 6 (and I do not believe they ignore Armor Saves without the DCCW.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Rifle men dreadnoughts are some of the best in the game! 6 twin linked strength seven shots are fairly devastating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The Storm Bolter is part of a Dreadnaught CCW. Dreadnaughts can fight in the Assault phase using their normal Attacks characteristic, but reduced to Strength 6 (and I do not believe they ignore Armor Saves without the DCCW.) They don't. Yes, since they have so few attacks, they're pretty much boned in the Assault Phase. If some squad attacks them, they'll probably be tarpitted for the rest of the game, and if the squad has a Power Fist, they're probably going to get destroyed. If you're using ML or Rifleman dreadnoughts, keep them on your back lines and take advantage of Relentless to avoid enemies who might want to engage them in CC. They're not a CC unit once you take off the Dreadnought CCW, but thanks to the long range of MLs, Lascannons, and Autocannons, you really don't need them to be. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 If you're using ML or Rifleman dreadnoughts, keep them on your back lines and take advantage of Relentless to avoid enemies who might want to engage them in CC. They're not a CC unit once you take off the Dreadnought CCW, but thanks to the long range of MLs, Lascannons, and Autocannons, you really don't need them to be. Is it worth the cost versus a long fang/wolf scout with ML and term. with ass cannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Dreads can be dropped with one shot. Squads cannot. Squads can be pinned/fall back. Dreads cannot. Each has their own positives, but I'd be willing to weigh in on a squad before I do the same for a vehicle, personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Rifle men dreadnoughts are some of the best in the game! 6 twin linked strength seven shots are fairly devastating. ummmm autocannons are heavy 2, hence you will only get 4 str7 twin linked shots, still good, but not as good as you made out. for that i would rather have an assauly cannon (4 str6 rending shots) and a CCW with heavy flamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It depends on what you need them for. As they cost only 105 points or 125 for the dakka dread they are a bargain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Your search-fu is weak young pup. The question was already asked in Amicus Aedes on 13 Feb 11, it's on page 2 now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223095-dreadnoughts-without-ccw/#findComment-2667647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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