Octavulg Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Teutonic is obvious as hell for anyone with even a passing familiarity with German history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Alright since people find the suggestion so wildly outrageous, I guess I withdraw it. I just figured since we have the Black Templars and all that we might as well include some other Knightly Orders like the Teutonic Knights or the Knights Hospitaller. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Teutonic is obvious as hell for anyone with even a passing familiarity with German history. Batman strikes once more, with his Bowling Ball of Doom. Alright since people find the suggestion so wildly outrageous, I guess I withdraw it. I just figured since we have the Black Templars and all that we might as well include some other Knightly Orders like the Teutonic Knights or the Knights Hospitaller. Ah, but we all know GW have horrific naming conventions and should rise above them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I just figured since we have the Black Templars and all that we might as well include some other Knightly Orders like the Teutonic Knights or the Knights Hospitaller. That who the Black Templars are (well, I'm guessing someone is going to say "They aren't actually the Teutonic Knights but the Bubonic Knights...Nurgle Templars...awesome..."). It is a good theme but it needs to be done in a manner that is like a salmon to the face. For example, we all know that the Space Wolves are over-themed towards the Viking side. However, their name is relatively subtle. Wolves tie in heavily with Norse background and they are in Space. They could have been called Space Norse or Sons of Odin or Thor's Warriors but these are all too salmon-esque. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ahh it's not that obvious. First thing that popped into my head when I heard Teutonic was the Knights Teutonic, the German military order that went around killing and "Christianizing" Latvians and Lithuanians way back in the day, not the ancient Teutons. So it'd be more like saying the Cossack Tigers (even though Cossacks were more Ukrainian than Russian I know) or the Hoplite Laterns. Edit: Course, it's all personal, but I wouldn't say the Teutonic thing is a "terrible, terrible idea" even if it's not obscure enough :P like the Space Bee-Kittens is a terrible, terrible idea. You do know who I am right? I am VERY familiar with all the Knightly Orders. Which brings me to my next point. The Black Templars have the Crusade and Knightly Orders on lock. It'll be hard for newer chapters to do the same without stepping on some toes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 You do know who I am right? There's that arrogance again :) Which brings me to my next point. The Black Templars have the Crusade and Knightly Orders on lock. It'll be hard for newer chapters to do the same without stepping on some toes. That's the trouble, Knightly Orders were still at heart combatants.. So there will always be overlap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 No I do not know who you are and I had no idea you were familiar with all the Knightly Orders, my bad if I offended you somehow, I just meant to explain why I thought it'd be cool to have "Teutonic" in the name, because I remember playing Age of Empires II when I was like 12 and thinking that the Teutonic Knights were badass. I'm sorry that the idea caused such offence to everyone because it's too obvious, I hadn't considered that seeing as we have chapters that like to eat and tear flesh called the Flesh Eaters and Flesh Tearers, respectively. I still don't see what the big problem is, and I still think it would be a dope name. If you guys disagree, that's cool, each to his own. Sorry to have caused such a fuss guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 No I do not know who you are and I had no idea you were familiar with all the Knightly Orders, my bad if I offended you somehow, I just meant to explain why I thought it'd be cool to have "Teutonic" in the name, because I remember playing Age of Empires II when I was like 12 and thinking that the Teutonic Knights were badass. I'm sorry that the idea caused such offence to everyone because it's too obvious, I hadn't considered that seeing as we have chapters that like to eat and tear flesh called the Flesh Eaters and Flesh Tearers, respectively. I still don't see what the big problem is, and I still think it would be a dope name. If you guys disagree, that's cool, each to his own. Sorry to have caused such a fuss guys. You've done nowt wrong ol' son... No offence and or fuss, M2C just isn't quite as expressive as he could be. Incidentally, this would be a good example of that whole "How To Critique" thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Don't worry GDM, no offense was caused we just like to express out opinions around here. I hadn't considered that seeing as we have chapters that like to eat and tear flesh called the Flesh Eaters and Flesh Tearers, respectively I would suggest reading this/ - it is a small article I wrote about the Suspension of Disbelief. Basically, it is very coincidental that the Flesh Eaters like to eat flesh and the Flesh Tearers like to tear flesh (and the Ultramarines are Ultra Marines, the Dark Angels have a secret, the Salamanders like lizards, the Raven Guard like to fly about and the Blood Angels like blood...) but these are all in-universe names. However, Teutonic is a real world group of people, and as soon as you mention the name I see some slow walking, cape wearing, almost unkillable infantry and I no longer can believe your chapter is "real" (and yes, I was a AoK player) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Im not trying to be a jerk, I swear. Im juggling responding in different threads, phone calls, and translating a page of arabic text. :) The term Teutonic is similar to Egyptian, Celtic, etc. It conjures up real world ideas when they are read. In 40K novels the authors attempt to alter the names to show that they are being viewed 40,000 years in the future. Like Faronik Aegyptus, Rus, etc. If you want a chapter to bring that Teutonic feel, simply parallel their ideals and traditions. People will recognize it, conciously and subconciously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Alright, fair enough, I see your point about them being a real world people breaking the illusion. I hereby officially withdraw the suggestion. *mumbles* still think it would be a dope name.. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Well it would if there was some alteration. For instance, Tuetonian Guard is a name I toyed with for the HM Bodyguard, but ultimately I dropped the idea for the reasons expressed here. I picked Husaren instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Reading through the comments, I think that a metal and then a kind of warrior might fit: How about Steel Dragoons. Here is what I have got for the IA so far (using the Steel Dragoons name [subject to change]): Kaiser Mit Uns! – Index Astartes: The Steel Dragoons “It is not by the politics of Terra, by pretty speeches and votes of the Senate that the great questions of our time shall be decided, but by iron and blood.”Sergeant von Schlieffen, XIII Company, the Steel Dragoons “ Heil dir im Siegerkranz,Herrscher des Kaiserreichs!Heil, Kaiser, dir!Fühl in des Thrones GlanzDie hohe Wonne ganz,Liebling des Volks zu sein!Heil Kaiser, dir!”First stanza of “Hail to thee, Emperor!”, battle anthem of the Steel Dragoons. The Eye of Terror dominates the night sky of every planet for several light years. A swollen, angry pustule, the Eye houses the fiercest enemies of the Imperium. Billions of soldiers, thousands of Astartes and hundreds of fighting ships of Battlefleet Obscurus stand in a constant watch, ready to react at the slightest raid. The few stable routes out of the Eye, the Cadian Gate, the Arx Gap, the Rubicon Straits are guarded by hundreds of listening stations, fortress-worlds and starforts. The Straslund system is just such an outpost. Less than a light year from a small corridor of (relatively and barely) stable space from the eye, known as the Fulda Gauntlet. Since the First Black Crusade, Chaos forces have sought to run the Gauntlet, for many, the price of a few ships is well worth the circumvention of the Cadian Gate. But it is not quite so easy. The Steel Dragoonss Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes, strong, arrogant and swift, have maintained their “Watch on the Eye”, since the 3rd Founding. “Principles and Practice – A Difficult Founding “Oh, I certainly agree in principle. I couldn’t abide putting this concept into practice, however.” Charles-Alexander Lorrayn, Lord General (C-in-C Obscurus North), 987.M31-189.M32, on the creation of the Steel Guards. Prior to the First Black Crusade, command of the Segmentum Obscurus was no more prestigious than any other. The Crusade changed that overnight. A Lord General in the Segmentum Obscurus found himself in command of perhaps the most powerful military force in the galaxy, with millions of divisions of Imperial Guard, an armada of Imperial warships and political connections that might one day make them a High Lord. Enough, in other words, to turn anyone’s head. During the 1st Black Crusade, the Archenemy sought to run the Gauntlet [c.ref file 4567/b Crisis of Agadir], using it to circumvent the dreadful fighting that then centred on Cadia, and disperse raiding parties to harry the Imperial supply lines. Ultimately, the gap was closed in a climactic naval battle that lasted a week. During the massive program of fortification, it was decided that a chapter of Astartes should be assigned to the Gauntlet in order to prevent repeat episodes. At the time of the 3rd Founding, the Lord General for Obscurus North (the military division where the Fulda Gauntlet and Straslund system are situated) was one Charles-Alexander Lorrayn, a career soldier who could trace his ancestry back to the Unification Wars. Lorrayn represented the best and worst of the Imperial establishment. His physical courage and strategic excellence were and are beyond question. The same could not be said of his receptiveness to change, nor his judgement of other men. Lorrayn, a partisan bigot who judged men by their politics, resented the intrusion into his sovereignty that the creation of a new chapter of Astartes would entail. Furthermore, he distrusted Space Marines, a family trait that went back to the Horus Heresy, when his great-great-great-grandfather had been sacrificed by the World Eaters (others have suggested, however, that he was merely too lazy make the alterations to his war plans that the new chapter would entail). Lorrayn used his influence over the Lord Commander Obscurus to delay the inception of the chapter. Despite the bitter political wranglings, it was eventually decided that a chapter of marines was needed. Lorrayn, rebuffed, spent the rest of his life writing polemics against the Astartes, using the wealth and privilege of his position as a war hero to protect him from retribution. He died in his sleep some years later. Incidentally, the Lorrayn family never recovered, instead having to enter into personal union with other houses in order to maintain their position. The Steel Dragoons, on the other hand, had just been born. Utilizing the gene-seed of the Imperial fists, chosen for their aptitude for defence, and under the command of Captain Flavius Geyr and a cadre of veterans of the same chapters, the Chapter was granted a store of equipment and helots by the Adeptus Mechanicus, and ordered to the Straslund system. The journey was in itself a trial, as the fleet faced many challenges across the long light years from Terra to Straslund. Assisting Imperial forces at their victories over the World Eaters on Tangananaya IV and participating in the great Imperial defeat at the Battle of Ienna, where they managed to successfully extract several thousand guardsmen and armour units, the chapter added the first battle honours to a long list. The various tribulations of the voyage are too many to list in this account, and many have been embellished since by the chapter. Suffice it to say that, almost seven months after they set out, the chapter arrived in the Straslund System. 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Octavulg Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Steel's not very German, Dragoons isn't very Space Mariney, and if you wanted to just make them up yourself why did you solicit suggestions, again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Also, there is no 'north' in space travel. There is Rimward, Coreward, Spinward, and Trailing. So in all likelihood it would be Imperial Guard Command-Rimward. Since it sounds like you want them on the fringe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2670961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 There's Galactic North. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 But it is not quite so easy. The Steel Dragoonss Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes, strong, arrogant and swift, have maintained their “Watch on the Eye”, since the 3rd Founding. Either we're meant to hiss the name 'Dragoons' at this point, or typos have sought to blight your work. “Oh, I certainly agree in principle. I couldn’t abide putting this concept into practice, however.” Charles-Alexander Lorrayn, Lord General (C-in-C Obscurus North), 987.M31-189.M32, on the creation of the Steel Guards. Who are the Steel Guards, again? The Steel Dragoons, on the other hand, had just been born. Utilizing the gene-seed of the Imperial fists, chosen for their aptitude for defence, and under the command of Captain Flavius Geyr and a cadre of veterans of the same chapters, the Chapter was granted a store of equipment and helots by the Adeptus Mechanicus, and ordered to the Straslund system. Didn't you say the german-inspired chapter was all about offence, earlier? ;) Also, regarding names, I thought Iron/Steel Panthers suited better than Steel Dragoons. That said, something with Eagles in it would probably be better again, although my brain seems to have shut down before I could come up with anything like a good example. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ragnil Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Your "iron and blood" quote referencing the Bismarck Era really stands out. Maybe you could focus on something to that regard for the name? And since "dragoons" are a pretty commonplace title for anti-infantry cavalry, maybe looking into something more "German" specified might work. Although "Jager" refers to light infantry (at least, according to Wikipedia), it might have a better effect for the army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_%28military%29 Just my thoughts though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 @Octavulg: The Dragoons are a placeholder. I am still thinking and open to suggestions. @Marshal2Crusaders: There is in fact a Galactic North. @Ace: Thanks for pointing that out. @Brother Ragnil: Good idea: Jagers, Hussars, Panzergrenadiers, Sturmtruppen. The German Navy was called the Kaiserliche Marine. Kaiserliche Jagerbande? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodWulf Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think we can use words like Teutonic just as well as Shark, Wolf, Griffon, Praetor etc.... If a System or a Planet can be called "Krieg" in the far future, why cant we use Teutonic. Hell we have a Primarch who's last name is Johnson. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_POINTED_STICK Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Germans: The Iron Eagles -- Dorn 26th founding. Champing at the bit to make a name for themselves. Ambitious and Eager is the only way to describe them. French: The Argent Stars-- Guilliman 23rd founding. Obsessed with Honor and Purity. History of shooting first and asking questions later when dealing with the various organizations of the Imperium. On bad terms with several other chapters. British: The Imperial Lions-- Corax 6th founding. Crusading Chapter with a powerful fleet. Generally humanitarian outlook towards Imperial Citizens. Famous for well planned underhanded tactics and a long list of less than honorable actions. Very popular with the people, tend to grind against external authority. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2671861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galrion Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Iron works better than steel as it reflects Bismark's nickname. Iron Eagles...isn't that a movie? It is a black bird...how about Iron Crows? Iron Ravens? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2672559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ragnil Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 @Brother Ragnil: Good idea: Jagers, Hussars, Panzergrenadiers, Sturmtruppen. The German Navy was called the Kaiserliche Marine. Kaiserliche Jagerbande? Hmmm...I like the sound of that name :D . I am reminded of the German U-boats that sank the Lusitania when you mentioned the German Navy (perhaps they like subterfuge for space naval battles? But I guess that wouldn't make them very upstart marines now would it? :P ). Other than that If you wanted to "anglicize" the name you could call them the Imperial Jagerbands/Emperor's Jagerband(s), but both just don't have the right ring as "Kaiserliche Jagerbande" :P . Up to you though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2672563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 @Brother Ragnil: Good idea: Jagers, Hussars, Panzergrenadiers, Sturmtruppen. The German Navy was called the Kaiserliche Marine. Kaiserliche Jagerbande? Hmmm...I like the sound of that name :D . I am reminded of the German U-boats that sank the Lusitania when you mentioned the German Navy (perhaps they like subterfuge for space naval battles? But I guess that wouldn't make them very upstart marines now would it? :P ). Other than that If you wanted to "anglicize" the name you could call them the Imperial Jagerbands/Emperor's Jagerband(s), but both just don't have the right ring as "Kaiserliche Jagerbande" :P . Up to you though! Trouble is, when you go down the route of names in foreign languages it kinda brings reading to a halt as people go "How the feth do I say that!?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2672568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ragnil Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Well then perhaps "Emperor's Jagerband/Imperial Jagerbands" will work? :confused: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223157-names-names-names/page/2/#findComment-2672606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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