2000AD Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Just finished re-reading 'Nemesis' and I have a query..... How did Spear kill Iota? Iota herself was not psychic, she was a pariah and used as an antipsyker, it is the animus speculum that does the damage vs psykers not Iota herself. So how did Spear actually kill her? What powers did she have that he could turn against her? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 He probably used his Carnage-like ability to gut her. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2670968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 He probably used his Carnage-like ability to gut her. Nope it says quite clearly in the book that he basically turned her into a ball of ash...... in a similar way to how a psyker wouldve died...... except that Iota wasnt a psyker. Bit of a hiccup by Mr Swallow and Black Library me thinks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2672701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Like any part of Spear's abilities as a "Black Pariah" actually made much sense... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2672868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 A psyker can beat a psyker using his powers. Why can't pariahs do the same to each other ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2672943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 If I remember my Culexus assassins correctly, the speculus draws on other creatures' psychic energy to power its bolts o' death. Thus Spear, thanks to his Chaosy engineering was able to do something similar with that energy and turn it back on Iota... No, you're right. It doesn't really make sense. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2673214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Zaku Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 And we were expecting something made up of pure Lovecraftium to make sense...why exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2673532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Like any part of Spear's abilities as a "Black Pariah" actually made much sense... Hahaha true. "I am anathema to the warp! My very presence dissolves and nullifies warp energy! Oh hey look now I'm a Daemonhost!" Sure why not? That being said, I really enjoyed that entire book. I just wish they had made it...oh say...one of the Sensei and done a nod to the Starchildren of early early (now defunct) 40K lore. Perhaps as early experiments of the Emperor, precursors to the stable Navigator gene, played with by the assassins, rather than a Pariah. Ah well. Makes little sense. Happens in 40K. Moving on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2677724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 A psyker can beat a psyker using his powers. Why can't pariahs do the same to each other ? Because a pariah in the strict sense of the word doesnt have any psychic powers.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2678667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Because a pariah in the strict sense of the word doesnt have any psychic powers.... They can project their anti warp field. A stronger pariah should be able to overwhelm other pariah with that. Like "my emptiness is bigger than yours" etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2678959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Lads, please, spoiler tags INDEED have their sacred purpose. I have not read the book yet. Thank You. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2678976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Lads, please, spoiler tags INDEED have their sacred purpose. I have not read the book yet. Thank You. then why read the topic? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2679241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Lads, please, spoiler tags INDEED have their sacred purpose. I have not read the book yet. Thank You. then why read the topic? WLK Well, why not? I've read PB threads before, but none of them gave out replies like "vow, never though Kaspar was a spy and that was a cool Bear/Bjorn disambiguation" in the first lines :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2679272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Lads, please, spoiler tags INDEED have their sacred purpose. I have not read the book yet. Thank You. then why read the topic? WLK Well, why not? I've read PB threads before, but none of them gave out replies like "vow, never though Kaspar was a spy and that was a cool Bear/Bjorn disambiguation" in the first lines :P really? wow, the Wolf threads are full of that exactly. oh well. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2679535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 This thread has been purged and a warning issued. Not sure what is going on with people today but the melta gun is getting a work out. No more shenanigans or things will start to get messy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2680629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Didn't Spear cut Iota then got a droplet of her blood in his mouth then killed her by turning her powers on her? Makes sense considering he needed the big E's blood to turn His power against Him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2722331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I second this, all spears powers boil down to his blood take- reverse ability thingy. Once he got a taste he had her, same as he would have had the emperor. Keep it simple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curuf1nw3 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Ahhh damm, read the first part, you should add spoiler "alert on nemesis", reading it at the moment :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Didn't Spear cut Iota then got a droplet of her blood in his mouth then killed her by turning her powers on her? Makes sense considering he needed the big E's blood to turn His power against Him. this seems the most logical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 Didn't Spear cut Iota then got a droplet of her blood in his mouth then killed her by turning her powers on her? Makes sense considering he needed the big E's blood to turn His power against Him. Youre missing the point.... Iota didnt have any "powers"...... she was a psychic void, immune to psychic effects, and thus projected a psychic null - this wasnt an offensive ability per se. Any offensive ability is generated by the Animus Speculum not by Iota herself. Without is she is merely someone without a soul. The Spear 'tasting blood' thing is his version of the Animus Speculum. Iota did not have "an ability" that could be turned against her...... BECAUSE SHE WASNT PSYCHIC. The Emperor has a full range of psychic ability and therefore has something that can be 'turned aginst him'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Didn't Spear cut Iota then got a droplet of her blood in his mouth then killed her by turning her powers on her? Makes sense considering he needed the big E's blood to turn His power against Him. Youre missing the point.... Iota didnt have any "powers"...... she was a psychic void, immune to psychic effects, and thus projected a psychic null - this wasnt an offensive ability per se. Any offensive ability is generated by the Animus Speculum not by Iota herself. Without is she is merely someone without a soul. The Spear 'tasting blood' thing is his version of the Animus Speculum. Iota did not have "an ability" that could be turned against her...... BECAUSE SHE WASNT PSYCHIC. The Emperor has a full range of psychic ability and therefore has something that can be 'turned aginst him'. Maybe you should tell this to James Swallow? On top of Spear being a Black Pariah, Erebus found him and he would have means to maybe bind a powerful deamon to Spear to improve his already impressive ability or do it another way via knowledge of one or maybe all of the Chaos Gods. Hence why Spear rose up after the Vindicare assassin (can't remember his name without the book at hand) "killed" him and he got up with most of his head missing, powered only, by my guess, some VERY powerful deamon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 His flesh was demonized and I think it was that (semi)sentient flesh which allowed him to get back up and fight again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2723881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Doesn't the Demonskin make a lot less sense than him killing Iota how he did? He is after all a pariah and therefor utterly inimical to the warp, but his skin is a being of pure warp energy...Think about it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2725128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Stop assuming there's rules to the warp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2725654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Doesn't the Demonskin make a lot less sense than him killing Iota how he did? He is after all a pariah and therefor utterly inimical to the warp, but his skin is a being of pure warp energy...Think about it Absolutely..... His being is anethema to all things warp and yet his outer skin is made from....... warp. Strike 2!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223350-iota-vs-spear-nemesis-spoilers/#findComment-2725746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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