Prosedragon Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Good day everyone, I'd like to build a Flesh Tearers Sanguinor counts-as. My Flesh Tearers aren't the dirty, bloody monsters most people have built - I've tried to put mine 100-200 years past the current story line, after Baal has been successfully defended, and following the chain of events I like to imagine would happen. I like to think that Chapter Master Seth and his chaplains began to emphasize and require discipline, meditation, and prayer, to an extent uncommon outside all but the most zealous chapters (Black Templars). At the same time, he threw the chapter into one fight after another, in what amounted to a penitent crusade, all the time keeping his brothers on a tighter leash, punishing those who's conduct was excessive, and requiring ever more meditation and prayer. The goal to this point was for the chapter to die with honor, but as he saw the results (exponentially few brothers falling to the Black Rage) he became hopeful that the chapter might survive. Then came the defense of Baal. The Flesh Tearers were assigned a front that brought them into contact with daemons and followers of Khorne, literally face to face with the siren song that had tempted them for so long. Their position was over run, and all hope was lost, when a great Super-Bloodthirster rose up from the ground. Both forces stopped fighting as Chapter Master Seth, torn and beaten and blooded and weary, took up his great sword and approached the beast. The Super-Bloodthirster took one great sweep with his hell spawned glaive, and cut Seth in two. As the super-Bloodthirster howled in triumph, the millenia of black rage from Flesh Tearers dead and alive, from their stored gene seed and their genetic code itself, coalesced into a single moment, a single place, and a single form. Chapter Master Seth rose back up on great leathery wings, his form resembling the Bloodthirster more than his brothers. Once more, Seth took up his sword, and he began to tear into the Super-Bloodthirster. He struck off the beast's hand and took its hellish glaive as his own. The brutality which followed left Seth standing once again broken and bloodied. He held his unblemished Imperial sword in one hand, his blood and anger fuelled glaive in the other, and looked upon his brothers. Then he rose into the air and disappeared. The Sethinor (wip name) now visits the battlefield whenever his brothers are closest to the black rage, when they are losing the discipline he died to instill in them. He dives into combat, his every stroke eating of his brothers anger, and showing them by example the balance he now embodies. So...after all that, that's the Seth/Sanguinor/Sethinor I want to capture. Thought's, ideas, tips, advice, criticism? As to the bits I'll use so far - regular SM backpack, probably some flesh tearers Iconography on it, Daemon Prince wings, Chaos Knights hellglaive, plastic chainswords modded to look like his current one, probably some Sanguinary Guard torso and legs, and a death mask with the crown cut off, and cut/sculpted/sanded to look like a regular helmet. The goal of his entire aesthetic appearance is to balance daemonic influences with the Imperial, Blood Angels/Black Templars/Warrior Monk influences. Generally, just looking for thoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrog Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hmmm, interesting. I'd advise using the winged backpack from the possessed marines box, rather than the DP wings, as I think they would be too big. The fluff, though. The only reason Sanguinor gets away with existing is because 1) Very few people even know he exists and 2) No one knows exactly what he is. The inquisition's "psychic construct" theory has them keeping a closer eye on the BA's than ever before. Your fluff is more specific. We see Seth die, then the assembled Flesh Tearers seemingly call upon the powers of blackest Chaos to revive him. That would be instant Excommunication, I would think. I would go with something more mysterious. Seth dies, then many battles later (possibly even years later) a mysterious warrior appears: the Fleshtearinator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deftoneage12 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hey man, Im really diggin the fluff you've conjured. I cant wait to see the WIP pics of this model. Sounds very epic. I would use a chainsword instead of a glaive. Just make it more epic than ever. The demon wings would work very nicely as well. as for the body, use a regular body, not a muscular one. Maybe use astorath body and give him a bald head with the demon wings and the epic chainsword. you picturing this? Hey man, Im really diggin the fluff you've conjured. I cant wait to see the WIP pics of this model. Sounds very epic. I would use a chainsword instead of a glaive. Just make it more epic than ever. The demon wings would work very nicely as well. as for the body, use a regular body, not a muscular one. Maybe use astorath body and give him a bald head with the demon wings and the epic chainsword. you picturing this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 sounds like a really cool idea just not a fan of the name :P might need a lil work. i think the astoroth body would work good as well and ya a BIG chainsword lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hmmm, interesting. I'd advise using the winged backpack from the possessed marines box, rather than the DP wings, as I think they would be too big. The fluff, though. The only reason Sanguinor gets away with existing is because 1) Very few people even know he exists and 2) No one knows exactly what he is. The inquisition's "psychic construct" theory has them keeping a closer eye on the BA's than ever before. Your fluff is more specific. We see Seth die, then the assembled Flesh Tearers seemingly call upon the powers of blackest Chaos to revive him. That would be instant Excommunication, I would think. I would go with something more mysterious. Seth dies, then many battles later (possibly even years later) a mysterious warrior appears: the Fleshtearinator. This. If you go too demonic seeming it'd be the nail in the coffin of the Flesh Tearers, at least in the fluff. If you can manage it, maybe taking Seth's actual head and painting it like a mask or Dante's and clip the crown off. The open screaming mouth kind of illustrates the kind of RAEG Flesh Tearers are known for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrog Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Oh, and actual suggestions for the name: The Aggressor The Butcher The Carnifex would be a perfect name. It's latin, and can alternately mean "butcher" or "executioner". The only problem, is, well, it's already taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yeah, I definitely need a better name. The Sethinor will do for now though. Not picking up a lot of love for the two weapons - daemonic glaive (there is precedent for reclaiming tainted weapons) and the regular chainsword Seth carries pre-Sethinor. Another alternative I considered was ripping the idea from eThagrosh (Warmachine, Everblight), where his blade shatters and then knits itself back together more strongly and deadly than before. Thanks for the comments and support so far! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hmm, corpses rising from the dead with deamonic appearance, picking up a daemon's weapon? Dunno about the Flesh Tearers but I suspect the Ordo Malleus/Grey Knights would be wanting to have a word with The Artist Formerly Known As Seth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2673924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 you could leave a dead Seth on his base. And have the new one rising out of it like a pure energy construct. But I dont know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2674075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB66 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Great idea, - really like the fluff that you came up with, itd be cool to see it in a more detailed story as well. - I would steer clear of the "Demon wings" it just seems that it would be a little to "chaotic" and like others stated, the Grey Knights and Inquisition would probably see that as falling into Chaos. The way you wrote the fluff totally makes sense and just as a "redeeming" of the Flesh Tearers it seems that Angelic wings would be more fitting - Like take the Sanguinor model and replace the sword with Seth's chain sword, and replace the chalice with a glaive, then put Seth's broken body on the base of the model with some molded green stuff coming out of his broken body and transitioning into the "risen" sanguinor. That would be Seth's "spirit" taking form into the "pure" form of Seth's vengeful spirit. HB66 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2674133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_incarnite Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 maybe an extension is when he was brought back to life first off he was not brought back as how he went and upon his revival he found that his own trusted brothers had gone to the dark arts and slayed them instantly. but then looking upon himself he realised that he was no longer human but a mutant the very thing that he had fought to destroy and he knew he was now dambed to eternal hell. kind of like a self loathing angle torn between both sides. also cant wait to see a pic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 to be honest, i really dont like your idea. spawning great leathery wings...raising from the dead, stealing a greater deamon of khorns weapon... from all i know of flesh tearer fluff i dont like it. what you describe, sounds like the ba succesor with the batwings in its chapter symbol. also the metal deamon prince wings suck, havent seen the plastic ones but i wouldimagine them to be too big for a powerarmoured sized model. als if you give this model a giant axe and seths chainsword then its not wysiwyg, as he only has a single one. not saying dont do it just it likely wont fly in a tourney because of that alone. now im not a flesh tearers player but id keep the whole fluff mesterious and stylised like seth. say soething that as seth does more and more for te chapter and their hope for themselves increases this thing sshows more and more, for unknown reasons in their darkest times. sure you could give it leathery wings, personally i wouldnt, id go for the single thruster jumppack with say gargoyle wings replacing the winged panels(seen it done nicely a few times)and id possibly uses seths model, or something posed in the same/similar pose with a massive chain weapon. if you do go the deamonic route, id think that theyd be so disgusted with themselves that they would all go on a to the death pentinant crusade a la death company to take as many evil things with them as possible, so posibly all death company army with him too... though really id stay clear of going too far with any named characters from any official army. i could see you ideas working better with the blood knights though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I would go with a Spartan look. You can get these helmets from MaxMini: http://www.maxmini.eu/store/images/mxm_bits/blhelmets_color.jpg G :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanfear Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 i think your idea is great! But i dont have an idea how to Build this guy right now. You could take a look at the demon prince plastic kit, and a lot of green stuff ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d503 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Off topic, but you could use grand inquisitor karamazov as a flesh tearers mephiston, but give his war-throne an immense jetpack. Muah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_POINTED_STICK Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Why not just use Sanguinor? The Sanguinary Guard that he founded (if he's Azkaelion) is distributed through all Blood Angel Successors or at least 2nd Foundings.) He's an apparition who comes and goes as he pleases through the warp. So in fairness any Red Thirsting Blood Drinking Black Raging Flesh Tearing SOBs can expect a visit. Although I wouldn't use him in a FT list. Astorath count as and Seth are the commanders of choice IMO. Flesh Tearer= Death Co. and more fringe thirsters. Sanguinor is too pretty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntzy Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Yeah ssanguinor is roamin like astorath probably Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2675833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 I like the standard Sanguinor model, but not for my army. One of the cool bits I picked up from the atrocious Blood Angels novels was Seth's idea that all the successor chapters inherited an aspect of Sanguinius - the Flesh Tearers got the rebelliousness (lame) and the savagery. The Sanguinor is (possibly) a coalescence of the aspects of Sanguinius the Blood Angels inherited, so I want my Flesh Tearers to have a coalescence of the aspect they inherited. I think its a cool idea...if you don't, go read a different thread. I am waffling on what role he serves- a coalescence of savagery that also represents discipline? Inconsistent. I'm still refining that part, but aesthetically I don't know that it will change the look of the model. Given that he is a coalescence of savagery and violence (in the "The Emperor wills it!" sense, not "blood for the blood god"), I think a mean look is appropriate, so while I understand and completely agree with the concerns over Grey Knights and Daemonhunters and whatnot, I'm still going to use daemon prince wings (if I can find them), or something more bat-like than angel-like. You guys are completely right, the Grey Knights will not like it...so in the encounters where I use The Sethinor I'll just have to be sure there are no survivors. ^_^ I probably will back off the daemon weapon though, probably just a big chainsword. Maybe even Seth's chainsword, if I can find one and it won't be too much work to convert it for one hand. I'm looking forward to getting to work on this model. Everyone who's commented, thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2676281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbone Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The Exsanguinator (counts as Sanguinor)(And yes, I know the name is a bit cheesy...) http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/Bulonicus/FT/exsang01.jpg Maybe this version of the Sanguinor helps you to create your own one :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2676378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 I saw this fellow, and he does look pretty BAMF - just not quite what I'm going for. He does look great though, and I like the Spartan theme to him. It is appropriate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2676394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 From as fluff stand point I really like the idea of the Sanguinor having different 'aspects' like a classical god. So with my Lamenters I field the aspect of the Sanguinor 'The Lamenter' (go figure). Perhaps in your case Seths death could have awakened one aspect of the Sanguinor in his body, personally I really like 'The Aggressor' as noted above... From a model points of view... Seth with the winged possessed back pack, a bloodletter sword, and a really large epic base, maybe a death mask.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2676625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mega_marines Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 The Exsanguinator (counts as Sanguinor)(And yes, I know the name is a bit cheesy...) http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/Bulonicus/FT/exsang01.jpg Maybe this version of the Sanguinor helps you to create your own one I...Guh...What... My Lamenters Sanguinor. Diggin' the similarities, though how similar they are hurts my brain... You even named him "The Exsanguinator" too.... :wacko: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/megamarines/IMG_0689.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2677161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosedragon Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Aventine - I like "the Aggressor". Nice and simple...I may use that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2677312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilicate Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I know that when I paint up my Sanguinor, I'll be making sure that his armor looks nice and tarnished and beat to hell. This symbolizes the beaten and bruised minds that create this obvious psychic manifestation. And mine will still be The Sanguinor - Flesh Tearers have the same roots as the Blood Angels. They're just as "noble". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223553-how-to-make-a-flesh-tearers-sanguinor/#findComment-2677348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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