hit a mental brickwall

[XKhalilX]

it seems the Scions of the infinite are not a very popular idea?

 

Based on my Children of Eternity, have I basically taken the pursuit of knowledge with the Children of Eternity to its furthest extent and the Scions are just a wasted effort? Comments?

 

Basically I want to make 2-3 successors from my COE. I wanted to use the COE belief as a foundation and have one take it to the extreme and another far less moderate.

 

the Scions of the Infinite basically taking the COE pursuit and preservation of knowledge to the far extreme. (there belief being akin to real life Christian Gnosticism and mesopotamian belief)

 

the Sons of Idaeon being more tempered and more in line with perhaps Iron Hand ideology, but taken that to an extreme in its own right (akin to Eastern Orthodox belief and culture with some other things thrown in)

 

the third group i wish to call The Disciples of the Ethereal Veil. I havent decided if they will be an outright third successor or perhaps a deathwatch of sorts amongst the COE, Scions and Sons of Idaeon and perhaps other IH chapters.

 

 

again, thoughts especially ones that are contemplative and provoking are heavily encouraged. I feel I have hit a bit of a dead end and looking to see what people think I should do. scrap the idea entirely, revise the idea, or scrap and start a new

[Generating Random Name...]

I'm not really sure what you want people to do, in the end it'll be you that's gonna write the thing. One thing I would say is, you have your themes so do a bit of roleplaying(:D), imagine you were a space marine in one of your chapters, use the ideology and I find the ideas just flow. But then, everybody's different.

[Ferrata]

The problem with having such a plan is that you feel forced to write about a chapter, and that leaves to poor writing. Really imagine one of the chapters (like GRN said) and focus on that. If you get a little bored, jump onto one of the other projects for a while or even stop writing - don't force yourself. You could even have some none CoE based chapters that allow you to do things a little differently. All my chapters I have created have been very different from one another but still have core characters that I can interact with and understand. This has allowed me to keep them going over time where other ideas like "Wouldn't it be cool" have fell by the waste side :D

[XKhalilX]

i get you two. i had the initial ideas suddenly come to me painting some COE figures just schemes popped into my head then suddenly the names.

 

i pictured the Scions to be a very odd bunch of marines both inwardly and outwardly, very into ritual, very into signs. whereas the COE are an odd bunch people seem to trust them and just think there a bit off. the Scions other astartes avoid not because there so much a shamed chapter but because there just so odd that it makes others distrustful of them and gives the heebie jeebies.

 

the sons of idaeon are just an aggressive stoic bunch, very hardened and fanatical in their own right. of the 3, the sons are the codex adherent types.

[XKhalilX]

so how can i make the scions seem distant and odd without coming off overly gimmicky and ambiguous. too much ambiguity and unknowns makes a chapter boring. i dont want them to be a blood ravens ripoff, but my idea partially was librarians would play a larger role. typically if i recall there is 1-2 librarians basically per company when there attached on missions, i wanted the scions of the infinite to have approximately 5-7 attached to company when companies are called forth. and on nearly all missions even squad based ones, i wanted a librarian to be attached BUT NOT leading (like the blood ravens would have). its like the iron snakes always have apothecaries attached to squads, the scions would have librarians attached. they wouldnt be in commanding roles but they would be there to help with signs and augury.

 

 

in terms of the sons of idaeon, i wanted them to hold a deep reverance for the very first chapter master of teh children of eternity, Commander Idaeon, hence the name. They would come from Idaeon's ancestral homeworld, these warriors and so basically their homeworld would no longer be a COE recruiting world but the new chapter homeworld of the sons of idaeon. i wanted them to be more aggressive, and not so mysterious. more direct and iron hand influenced. a bit savage, think space wolfish with an obsession for technology. they believe Ferrus Manus never died, at least "spiritually" speaking and he will return, and that each marine can become there own inner martyr like the sacrifice of their primarch, its more of a core teaching doctrin of the chapter, a belief of self determination and sacrifice taken to the extreme. they also believe in not just removing the hand and putting a bionic like the Iron Hands do upon becoming a full battle brother, but that removing both arms completely and replacing them with bionic arms. hence taken things and going a bit over board. unlike the COE, they revere dreadnoughts (COE detest them). so the COE may look at the sons and have that "where did we go wrong with them" feeling in the family tree.

[NightrawenII]

so how can i make the scions seem distant and odd without coming off overly gimmicky and ambiguous. too much ambiguity and unknowns makes a chapter boring. i dont want them to be a blood ravens ripoff, but my idea partially was librarians would play a larger role. typically if i recall there is 1-2 librarians basically per company when there attached on missions, i wanted the scions of the infinite to have approximately 5-7 attached to company when companies are called forth. and on nearly all missions even squad based ones, i wanted a librarian to be attached BUT NOT leading (like the blood ravens would have). its like the iron snakes always have apothecaries attached to squads, the scions would have librarians attached. they wouldnt be in commanding roles but they would be there to help with signs and augury.

That's way too much. The Librarians don't grow on trees, you know.

 

- Why are they such Librarian-heavy?

 

in terms of the sons of idaeon, i wanted them to hold a deep reverance for the very first chapter master of teh children of eternity, Commander Idaeon, hence the name. They would come from Idaeon's ancestral homeworld, these warriors and so basically their homeworld would no longer be a COE recruiting world but the new chapter homeworld of the sons of idaeon. i wanted them to be more aggressive, and not so mysterious. more direct and iron hand influenced. a bit savage, think space wolfish with an obsession for technology. they believe Ferrus Manus never died, at least "spiritually" speaking and he will return, and that each marine can become there own inner martyr like the sacrifice of their primarch, its more of a core teaching doctrin of the chapter, a belief of self determination and sacrifice taken to the extreme. they also believe in not just removing the hand and putting a bionic like the Iron Hands do upon becoming a full battle brother, but that removing both arms completely and replacing them with bionic arms. hence taken things and going a bit over board. unlike the COE, they revere dreadnoughts (COE detest them). so the COE may look at the sons and have that "where did we go wrong with them" feeling in the family tree.

 

they believe Ferrus Manus never died, at least "spiritually" speaking and he will return

- This is actually part of Iron Hands belief. The Ferrus Mannus will return to lead the humanity in the Time of Darkness.

 

and that each marine can become there own inner martyr like the sacrifice of their primarch

- Inner martyr? Ferrus Mannus died because others were too weak to follow him. He did not sacrifice himself, no. He was betrayed by the other Legions and their Primarchs.

[XKhalilX]

That's way too much. The Librarians don't grow on trees, you know.

 

- Why are they such Librarian-heavy?

 

the chapter is heavy into the theory of signs and precognition, that there are signs and patterns that the Omnissiah has left for his chosen few (and of course the scions feel they are in this group....) can decipher.

 

Nightrawen, I always thought the IH were certain he was dead?

hmmm you gave me a new idea. if they were too weak to follow him, he still sacrificed to protect and defend. The Sons can take the idea that they to my must to themselves to be fully rebuilt, and not necessary "the flesh is weak" feel that the iron hands have, but a more inner spiritual core build up, breaking the self and soul to it cannot take anymore. so the sons of idaeon punish themselves to the core of breaking, like boot camp that has no end. not so much self mortication, but just a punishment that makes them very harsh to outsiders that even other astartes would tell them "guys its okay, settle down.."

[NightrawenII]

the chapter is heavy into the theory of signs and precognition, that there are signs and patterns that the Omnissiah has left for his chosen few (and of course the scions feel they are in this group....) can decipher.

Sorry for being pessimistic. But I can't picture any connection between Omnissiah and Warp.

I mean, the Omnissiah is the Machine God, a god of cold logic and mechanical processing. I'm not sure if his followers would rely on such unpredictable and volatile medium like Warp.

 

Nightrawen, I always thought the IH were certain he was dead?

Not exactly. ;)

 

According to their Scriptures, the moment the Emperor fell, the psychic shockwave was felt with such intensity that it reached Ferrus, even though he had left the realm of Man. An image of Ferrus appeared before his Legion, and his anguish and despair was unimaginable. It is said that this apparition spoke of his fears for Mankind. He spoke of a great calamity, a darkness that would assail humanity at some unforeseen moment in the future, and his promise that he would be there to lead humanity through its trials of darkness. Amongst the Iron Hands it is taught that he ascended to an unearthly paradise realm where he fights eternally, becoming ever stronger. And so it is said that Ferrus Manus left the world of Man, preparing for the time when he is required again, that Time of Darkness when his light is needed most of all.

~ Index Astartes, Iron Hands

 

 

hmmm you gave me a new idea. if they were too weak to follow him, he still sacrificed to protect and defend. The Sons can take the idea that they to my must to themselves to be fully rebuilt, and not necessary "the flesh is weak" feel that the iron hands have, but a more inner spiritual core build up, breaking the self and soul to it cannot take anymore. so the sons of idaeon punish themselves to the core of breaking, like boot camp that has no end. not so much self mortication, but just a punishment that makes them very harsh to outsiders that even other astartes would tell them "guys its okay, settle down.."

I have seen this somewhere, hmmm... Warriors Eternal follow something similar.

[XKhalilX]

their belief in the Omnissiah is that he is the creator of everything, the Omnissiah is THE Omnissiah afterall, so the warp is nothing but another construct of creation, although not easily understood.

 

great the idea is already taken, agh! so now im back to nothing ;)