Ikken Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was just answering a question in another forum , about Rune Priests , and thougt i should confirm my answer here , both so I don't give bad info , and so I know myself. the majority of a rune priests psychic powers are psychic shooting attacks ( JotWW , Tempest , LL , TC , FotWS , MH ) because they are shooting attacks , if a rune priest is attached to a squad the squad can only target / assault the unit he targets . The exception to this would be long fangs with a squad leader , he could use his power to let the Rune priest target 1 unit and the squad target another . I think that is all fine , but in the event where the rune priest has been upgraded to master of the runes , does he have to target the same unit he just shot at . if he uses 2 powers . for example he wants to hit a trigon Prime on the left with Living Lightning , but he also wants to go after a carnifex on the right with JotWW . these are both psychic shooting attacks , and would have to target the same unit , as he can't target more than 1 unit in a turn . ( having just read the psychic shooting attack section in the AOBR rule book , i noticed that he could not use 2 psychic shooting attacks in the same turn even if he is upgraded to master of the runes . pg 50 AOBR " even if a psycker has a special rule allowing him to use more than one psychic power per turn , he can only use 1 psychic shooting attack , as models can only fire 1 ranged weapon per turn " well that simplifies things . I guess the additional question I would put out there is that if you were going to take master of the runes , you would have to make one or both of your powers tempest wrath or storm caller , because there would be no point to taking 2 psychic shooting attacks with master of the rune because you can only use one regardless . am i correct on this ? also 1 final clarification , JotWW can affect units in CC , but because it is a shooting attack , it can't TARGET units in CC . so in order to snipe a model out of CC , JOTWW needs to have a target not in CC to target 1st and then the JotWW line can pass through that unit and affect a unit in CC behind the target unit . am i correct on this ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I guess the additional question I would put out there is that if you were going to take master of the runes , you would have to make one or both of your powers tempest wrath or storm caller , because there would be no point to taking 2 psychic shooting attacks with master of the rune because you can only use one regardless . am i correct on this ? Exactly. Either to make some ad hoc cover, while You footslog with terminators/or instantly get a cover for Your Rhino. Alternatively You can keep the enemy skimmers (think Dark Eldar here for example) away from you, while You pepper them with LL from afar. Or don't bother with this costly upgrade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Well the first part of your question doesn't need answering as you've already found the rule. As to the second part, there is another reason to take it but it depends on how offensively you play your priests. They will be able to use a shooting power and their force weapon in the same turn. Perfect for offensive priests. Taking tempests wrath or stormcaller is good for defensive priests Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 As to the second part, there is another reason to take it but it depends on how offensively you play your priests. They will be able to use a shooting power and their force weapon in the same turn. Perfect for offensive priests. With mediocre stats that are only slightly above that of the average Space Marine, you can bet a Rune Priest geared for melee is pretty "offensive". DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 If only we had something similar to the blood angel psychic sword attack for cc, double strength power weapon attack that doesn't slow down initiative. Sorry, magic sword envy, I play against 2 BA players all the time. Our boy blue just doesn't have a cc special. I don't have my codex is @ home (posting from my phone) but it seems like our front blast attack should be allowed in cc, and not labelled as a shooting attack. I've been wondering about the op's question for awhile now, especially since I'm going to be fielding njal in the near future. He's been sitting in box unpainted for awhile now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I don't have my codex is @ home (posting from my phone) but it seems like our front blast attack should be allowed in cc, and not labelled as a shooting attack. Well, S3 AP5 is pathetic. Even barehanded he can still punch at S4 :D I've been wondering about the op's question for awhile now, especially since I'm going to be fielding njal in the near future. He's been sitting in box unpainted for awhile now Which one of them - PA or terminator? He's pretty expensive for what he does though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I have the termie version, gonna finish him tonight and post a few pics, but I'm going to put together my own power armor version. The classic version is probably great for many who have nostalgia, but I don't, so I think it looks wretched. I have similar feeling s about the ragnar model too, so I'm going to build my own there. I'm going to use the termie version soon though since my more seasoned club players want to run a 2k+ game in the near future. Forgive my occassional broken english, posting from my phone, I tend to miss more compared to actually being at a computer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yeah, you can only use 1 Psychic Shooting Attack per turn, unless the unit has its own special rule overriding that rule. Yay 40k! "It's a rule. Unless there is another rule that overrides that as a rule." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwulf Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 If only we had something similar to the blood angel psychic sword attack for cc, double strength power weapon attack that doesn't slow down initiative. Sorry, magic sword envy, I play against 2 BA players all the time. I would rather have the psychic power that boosts their initiative... The biggest problem I have in force weaponing anything is that the most juicy targets, which would be worthwhile to kill, will kill the RP before he even gets to attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I've been playing for over a year now and finally got to force weapon something just last weekend. I was being assaulted by a Chaos Lord with a deamon weapon. The Chaos player had given him a mark of Slaanesh so he was I6. I set my Rune Priest in a crater with my Long Fangs. When he assaulted he was dropped to I1. I got my attack first and he failed 1 5++ save for his TDA. I rolled leadership and he tossed his model across the table :( By the way Tempest isn't a shooting attack. So you could cast Tempest and LL if you had MoR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 My two current favorite set-ups for my rune priests both utilize Master of Runes. Living Lightning and Tempest Wrath when placed with my Long Fangs. JotWW and Storm Caller when placed with terminators and in a Land Raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2677789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 JotWW and Storm Caller when placed with terminators and in a Land Raider. Maybe I'm missing something, but what good is a 5+ cover save on models that have a built-in 5+ Invulnerable save? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 JotWW and Storm Caller when placed with terminators and in a Land Raider. Maybe I'm missing something, but what good is a 5+ cover save on models that have a built-in 5+ Invulnerable save? Land Raider and Grey Hunter filled Rhinos next to the Land Raider benefit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Land Raider and Grey Hunter filled Rhinos next to the Land Raider benefit. ... but psychic powers need a line of sight to function, and the LR does not provide one? It was my understanding that sticking a RP in a LR is basically "no powers until he gets out." Even Njal's tempest storm stuff is not supposed to work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahli Llama Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Land Raider and Grey Hunter filled Rhinos next to the Land Raider benefit. ... but psychic powers need a line of sight to function, and the LR does not provide one? It was my understanding that sticking a RP in a LR is basically "no powers until he gets out." Even Njal's tempest storm stuff is not supposed to work. No they don't. They only require line of sight if they are a psychic shooting attack or if the power specifically says that it requires LOS. In the case of Njal, his tempest storm requires LOS (and isn't a psychic attack so it's moot). Storm Caller does not require LOS, so if the Priest is in a Land Raider it will work just fine (even better actually since you measure from the edge of the vehicle). This has been dealt with by the Eldar for ages, and it is mentioned in their FAQ that psychic powers that do not require LOW can be cast from within their vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 No they don't. They only require line of sight if they are a psychic shooting attack or if the power specifically says that it requires LOS. In the case of Njal, his tempest storm requires LOS (and isn't a psychic attack so it's moot). Storm Caller does not require LOS, so if the Priest is in a Land Raider it will work just fine (even better actually since you measure from the edge of the vehicle). This has been dealt with by the Eldar for ages, and it is mentioned in their FAQ that psychic powers that do not require LOW can be cast from within their vehicles. Well, that's handy to know, indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 So, because it's not a shooting attack, the LR can actually move 12" and the RP can still cast his power? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 No they don't. They only require line of sight if they are a psychic shooting attack or if the power specifically says that it requires LOS. In the case of Njal, his tempest storm requires LOS (and isn't a psychic attack so it's moot). Storm Caller does not require LOS, so if the Priest is in a Land Raider it will work just fine (even better actually since you measure from the edge of the vehicle). This has been dealt with by the Eldar for ages, and it is mentioned in their FAQ that psychic powers that do not require LOW can be cast from within their vehicles. Well, that's handy to know, indeed. Quite. Land Raider with a cover save. Rhinos with embarked Grey Hunters with cover saves. Disembarked Grey Hunters with a cover save. The joy about Storm Caller is that it is measured to the unit so if one member is within range, the unit recieves the cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahli Llama Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 So, because it's not a shooting attack, the LR can actually move 12" and the RP can still cast his power? Well, Storm Caller has to be cast at the start of the turn, before any movement. But he could use the power, and the LR could move. Anything within 6" of the LR when the opponent starts shooting would get the 5+ cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Armored spearhead with one Land Raider, couple of Rhinos, and maybe a couple of Predators. Now spread a couple of Rune Priests across that formation, both with Storm Caller, one with JotWW and other with Tempest Wrath. You have easily created almost an entire tank line that has a 5+ cover save that is protected from skimmers, deep strikers, and jump nfantry via a 24" difficult/dangerous tbubble bubble. That type of build causes all types of hell for Alpha Strike lists that depend on moving Flat Out first turn or on the turn they arrive from reserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2678528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Rob Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 i though t they FAQ'd the storm caller so the cover save was just for squads and wouldn't work on vehicles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2679670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 i though t they FAQ'd the storm caller so the cover save was just for squads and wouldn't work on vehicles? It was the other way around - they changed it from affecting squads to units, which includes vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/223896-rune-priest-andpsychic-shooting-attacks/#findComment-2679690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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