Master of fact Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 My friend and i have decided to create an independant character for an upcoming game. Rules are the story of the model must represent his wargear. 170 points to spend, 1 universal special rule and one you can make up. Here is what i have fluff and rule wise ( the character has to be within reason, no super crazyness) Corvus Faust famous for being the only Dark Angel to engage in personal combat with the fallen angel cypher. After losing 9 fellow marines to cyphers superior aim Corvus charged wildly at the hated foe. He landed blow after blow on Cypher who laughed off all of his attacks, cypher then looses a close blast from his plasma pistol, severing part of Corvus' arm, torso and leg. He lives today with major cybernetic implants. WS 4 BS 4 S4 T5 W2 I4 A3 LD9 Sv 3+/5+ Special rules Feel no pain Hunt the fallen ( MUST be taken as an upgrade to a vet squad) Wargear Bolter/combi flamer Bolt pistol Bionics (5+ inv T5) Lions paw (master crafted power fist) 170 points So what do you think about 1. His rule's 2. His story Please feel free to comment on what what you would do rule wise and fluff as im really on a recent DA follower. Also the model i will be using is http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...ERSION-SET.html mixed with some Dark angel stuff. Im very excited about this project so please be as constructive as possible, if you hate him let me know why ect. Cheers Joel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Interesting stuff. I don't know what codex your friend is using, but if this IC is meant to be an HQ, you could certainly get away with 5 for both WS and BS (if not 6 for WS compared to Company Captain in C:SM). I'd also say up him to Ld. 10. 170 points is too much though. If he is upgrade to a squad type deal, he probably wouldn't be an IC but you could still get away with the skill increases as I don't think he would cost anywhere near 170 points. To put it into perspective, Telion cost significantly less. EDIT: Ah, I just looked at Arjac's entry in the SW book. If you are going that route, give him the skill increase (keep Ld. at 9 though) maybe give him another special rule, stubborn would play right into DA (if not fearless) and subtract like 25 points to account for no terminator armor. With the 2 special rules (FNP and stubborn) and increased skills he could be worth around 140 maybe. Though Arjac seems overpriced as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2681996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Moridius Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I like the fact that he is famous for purely surviving something, so many special characters are always supermen that take krak missiles in the face and just get a minor scratch. Its refreshing really. I agree with EPK, he is way overcosted for a vet sergeant. Maybe take a look at Cassius the crazy ultrasmurf chappie as your character is a toned down version of him (not saying that's bad), and decrease his points/give him better stats accordingly. Hope that helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2682018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thanks, yeah sick of reading " he punched an avatar through the chest, or got swallowed by a trygon and it died because it was allergic to the colour blue! (my first army was ultras im allowed!) He is using Chaos marines but it will be world eater themed. It is for an HQ choice so will update stats. Also keep looking as i will post the conversion here also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2682035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I like the fact that he is famous for purely surviving something, so many special characters are always supermen that take krak missiles in the face and just get a minor scratch. Its refreshing really. I totally agree. Though I thought that "something" being Cypher himself was pushing the boundaries of marysue land, I can deal with it as he quite nearly died doing it. Had be bested or even simply ground to a stalemate with Cypher I might have called shenanigans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2682037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 The stats and the like feel bland, but I like the concept behind the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2682092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Nice idea, too pricey. You could take a Captain with the wargear you have for not much more, points-wise (remembering the old +points for master crafted back in 4th Ed. and giving him +points for FNP). I think 100-110 might be more appropriate, with stats as-is. 140+ is pretty starchy for an upgrade character. Look at Telion in C:SM: the guy's a Swiss Army Knife for special rules, and he's pretty reasonably priced, considering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2682840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makers Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Have to agree with everyone else, far too expensive for what he has gear and point wise. Also, i would rename the Power Fist. "Lion's Paw" sounds too much like Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2683147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzap88 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 i agree that he is way too overpriced for what he can do, IMO, check out the codex for what sort of stats IC's get at that points value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2683564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viray Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Just a minor quibble on the fluff: Corvus Faust famous for being the only Dark Angel to engage in personal combat with the fallen angel cypher. Being the only person to do anything of significance today is already quite a feat. Being the only Dark Angel to fight Cypher in personal combat despite the entire Chapter, not to mention all their Successor Chapters, hunting him for the last 10,000 years seems a little far-fetched. Of course, I don't know when your character actually exists in the timeline, so I'm just assuming he's fairly "recent." Besides that, I agree with what everyone's been saying: he's overpriced for what he does. If I took a Company Master with the same loadout, I'd save 25 pts and get better stats to boot. The only things I'd lose are the special rules, and even then, I'd gain Rites of Battle. On that note, you mentioned you have 170 pts to spend on making a character. Are you following a specific creation template you all agreed upon, or is this just some guesstimation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2683671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 Im really only starting my Dark Angel journey and of the fluff i read i can only see the Dark Angels hunt Cypher, but no fluff to say he was nearly caught or wounded, so i seen that as a bit of a void for my character. He is a bit cheap i suppose and his stats could be better. Il wotk on it today and post later along with the conversion (which i quite like) Iv also got manflu so may end up sleeping the day away! (if the we uns let me) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2686346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I like the idea, and I love the fact that you're using the FW conversion kit. The only thing I would change is maybe give him I5, since he did take the initiative in engaging Cypher one on one, and perhaps have the option for a master crafted power weapon or lightning claw instead of a power fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2687006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 As promised (albeit a little late) pics I want to go with the powerfist as i dont have much luck, i may change him. What does everyone think? Fist or sword. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z52/masteroffact/13032011128.jpg http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z52/masteroffact/13032011129.jpg http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z52/masteroffact/13032011130.jpg And if you look close you can see the bare hand that manipulates the powerfist., UBER http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z52/masteroffact/13032011131.jpg Enjoy! I also have Tyberos the red wake as belial coming soon! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2687840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yeah, I love that FW power fist with the actual hand inside. It's an excellent detail. My vote's for the fist. Sword is cool and very DA, but there's something about a guy that got mauled by Public Enemy #1 and came back with a rebuild that screams he needs a power fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Definitely the power fist. I like all those FW parts except that head. Personal opinion for some reason it hurts the piece. Does it look better up close, in person? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share Posted March 14, 2011 Glad you said about the head, im not so sure myself, may change it. Unsure at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodred0114 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just a minor quibble on the fluff:Corvus Faust famous for being the only Dark Angel to engage in personal combat with the fallen angel cypher. Being the only person to do anything of significance today is already quite a feat. Being the only Dark Angel to fight Cypher in personal combat despite the entire Chapter, not to mention all their Successor Chapters, hunting him for the last 10,000 years seems a little far-fetched. Of course, I don't know when your character actually exists in the timeline, so I'm just assuming he's fairly "recent." ok just to help out..... maybe the only one to fight him and SURVIVE? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think the head makes him look like he was mauled by a bear... a bear that sports a plasma and bolt pistol combo and a big sword that may have once belonged to Lion El'Jonson. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I don't know, looks more like a Borg drone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I don't know, looks more like a Borg drone. That, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Glad you said about the head, im not so sure myself, may change it. Unsure at the moment. Personally, I'd go with the half bionic head from the Tactical Marine Sprue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 ok just to help out..... maybe the only one to fight him and SURVIVE? To me, the only thing that claiming your character is the only one to have done X does is set up a potential conflict for when you run into some one else with a character who claims to have done X as well, you can make your character's accomplishments significant without trying to limit other character's accomplishments. A possible exception is if you have created the all of the elements of the scenario, i.e. if your character A is the only one to have bested your character B. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just a quick note, if this guy fought against Cypher and lived, would he then find out that Cypher is one of the Fallen? Or would the Inner Circle keep that info from him? Also, if he has an elevated status now, shouldn't he be sporting a robe of some sort? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2688780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I don't know if surviving an encounter with Cypher would necessitate his becoming privy to the secrets of the Chapter. True, it would give him a good reputation with the members of the Inner Circle, but probably wouldn't cause them to extend him membership. To other Dark Angels, he's a hero, somebody who faced down someone who appeared to be a particularly dangerous Chaos Lord or Renegade Champion... indeed, this is probably how he sees himself. It's not like Cypher introduces himself before blasting away like Clint Eastwood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2689286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 I don't know if surviving an encounter with Cypher would necessitate his becoming privy to the secrets of the Chapter. True, it would give him a good reputation with the members of the Inner Circle, but probably wouldn't cause them to extend him membership. To other Dark Angels, he's a hero, somebody who faced down someone who appeared to be a particularly dangerous Chaos Lord or Renegade Champion... indeed, this is probably how he sees himself. It's not like Cypher introduces himself before blasting away like Clint Eastwood. This! I like this. Im terrible making fluff up but thats how i see him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224305-creating-a-character-for-a-game/#findComment-2689322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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