Generating Random Name... Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 How does the organisation of the chapter affect their training? Presumably they have no Devastators, so is this training cut from the course? so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 10th Company is a Scout company. Would scout bike > attack bike/speeder gunner (almost a dev) > speeder/ attack bike driver > biker work out? I couldn't really find much white scars promotion stuff. I guess that ties into my last post of questions on dividing them into companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Would scout bike > attack bike/speeder gunner (almost a dev) > speeder/ attack bike driver > biker work out? I couldn't really find much white scars promotion stuff. I would have said more Scout biker > Biker > Attack bike gunner > AB driver > Speeder driver > Speeder Gunner. More progression from easy to difficult. I am just a bit confused about this chapter, do they solely go around in bikes and speeders? Or do they have some troops, eg. Assault marines and Rhino transported tacs, I think that these two would fit with your army and allow them to perfom well in other situations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 I've mentioned it a couple times but yes, just speeders and bikes. If the situation warrented they could always jump off the bikes but in general no rhinos or standard troops. It goes against their prefered style of fighting. So no tactical squads driving around in rhinos. They don't follow the standard 6 tact, 2 assault and 2 dev team company make up; this is why I asked if it should be 60 bikers, 10 assault bikes, 10 speeders in a company or break it up more into bikes as one company, speeders as another or both? I went with biker as the summit of progression because in C:SM I think Tactical Squad is the top spot with devs being the bottom (this all changed between 4th and 5th I believe and varies between chapters). Your way works fine too though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I've mentioned it a couple times but yes, just speeders and bikes. If the situation warrented they could always jump off the bikes but in general no rhinos or standard troops. It goes against their prefered style of fighting. So no tactical squads driving around in rhinos. They don't follow the standard 6 tact, 2 assault and 2 dev team company make up; this is why I asked if it should be 60 bikers, 10 assault bikes, 10 speeders in a company or break it up more into bikes as one company, speeders as another or both? I went with biker as the summit of progression because in C:SM I think Tactical Squad is the top spot with devs being the bottom (this all changed between 4th and 5th I believe and varies between chapters). Your way works fine too though. Sorry, I read through it earlier and can't quite remember some of the points, so their preferred style of fighting is lightning raids behind enemy lines? And they often stay behind the lines for some time, with supplies in landspeeders? Hmm... So if the "Wing" is 2 speeders, 1 tech, and 12 bikes with possible attack bikes mixed in then that would seem fine for a company. Does that also mean that you have 5 tech per company? that's 20 for the chapter, might be interesting to have 10 "Masters" and 10 trainees... But it's up to you. Sorry if I'm not making much sense as it's late at night. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 2) Should the speeders make up an entire company or be split up to 5 per company (or something similar) meaning that if 5 speeders are in the company there are now only 90 marines left on bikes (I don't want them swapping roles too much and envision them assigned to the speeder squadron or bikes in the same way a marine is in tactical or devestator).3) If the speeders make up an entire company, should I stick to 100 marines (therefore 50 speeders) or do a smaller number? Well, the Company's Land Speeders are operated by the Company's Assault Marines. In Codex Chapter, the 7th Company is trained to fight from Land Speeders. So, you can do this either way. I also think I can satisfy other's and my thoughts on the techmarines if the techmarines are assigned to the chapter instead of making up x of a company, and then just go into battle as a passenger/driver of a landspeeder. They are marines afterall and have to have combat training. That way my fluff could support the model yet not have the techmarines too entwined with the company. Well, the Techmarine is first and foremost technician. His role is build, repair and maintain the wargear and weapons of the Chapter. His role as the warrior is secondary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2687422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 I reorganized according to Index Astartes articles, added info and present to you my current incarnation: The Night Hawks Chapter Home World The Chapter calls home to Korak Prime, a secluded system on the edge of the Maelstrom. The binary system of Korak is fraught with unpredictable, if short-lived, warp storms which periodically cut the region of space off from the rest of the Imperium. Korak Prime exhibits a unique orbit within the system and follows a figure-eight pattern around both stars. This unique orbit causes periods of harsh draught when the planet passes between the stars. The people of Korak Prime live simple lives with much time spent rationing their limited supplies as the arrival of inter-system supplies is less than regular. The annual dry period forces the populace to roam the surface in search of fresh surface water to bring back to their home villages. This lifestyle has moulded the Night Hawks into the chapter as they are today. Following in the traditions of the White Scars, the Chapter focuses on rapid deployment and hit and run tactics. While the White Scars prefer to launch lightning fast strikes, the Night Hawks have perfected the art of hitting targets of opportunity before rapidly redeploying without the need to re-supply. A small contingent of Night Hawks cannot only change the tide of a battle but that of a war spanning an entire continent. Beliefs The people of Korak Prime are a spiritual people believing that the path of survival begins within oneself and practice an ancient form of numerology. Imperial anthropologists have traced the roots of these practices to the Gyptians of ancient Terra. The Night Hawks take portions of these beliefs with them through their transformation from tribesman to Space Marine. The number 9 has become sacred to the Chapter and shapes their organization. The ancient Gyptians believed that the planetary aspect of the number 9 was the moon; symbolic of the night. The Nine is the number of the unconscious and is seen as a regulator, resolving any discrepancies between the seven (experience) and the eight (instinct). Because of this, the Nine can be seen as the interface between the inner and outer self. Only by understanding the inner and outer self can one truly hold the corrupting taint of Chaos at bay. Village elders routinely wear a simple tabard emblazoned with the heraldry of the village’s people. Upon recognition of veteran status, a Night Hawk dons a tabard bearing the Night Hawk crest. The symbol of the Night Hawks is a winged talon wielding a sword. This symbolizes the Chapter’s doctrine of swiftly bringing might to bear. Combat Doctrine The Night Hawks are often tasked with undertaking prolonged missions behind enemy lines where abnormal weather systems or warp interference may prevent re-supply from orbit or even beyond system space. Preferring to operate at night, in contravention of the standard brightly armoured shock troop renowned across the Imperium, the Night Hawks prefer the subdued nature of their chapter colours. The fear induced on an unsuspecting enemy hit by a Night Hawks’ attack far surpasses that caused by a brightly coloured uniform. Organization At full strength, the Chapter is made up of 9 companies. The 1st company is comprised of ninety veterans of the Chapter who ride Mars-pattern hover bikes in contrast to the standard tactical dreadnaught armour worn by codex chapter’s first companies. Captains of the Chapter’s companies form their command squads from members of the 1st as opposed to members of their own companies. Veterans of the company can best prove their worth and learn first hand those skills which may someday be required if their station rises to that of captain. The 2nd through 6th companies are made up of bike and assault bike squadrons totalling 90 marines. These marines form 10 man groups dubbed ‘Murders’ reminiscent of the tactical squads of codex chapters. The 8th company, or the “Hand of Eden", consists of 50 versatile Argonaught Land Speeders and the 100 crew required to operate them. The 9th company consists of the initiates of the Chapter who sit at the crossroads of the journey to master their inner and outer selves. Due to each marine being issued a Space Marine bike and the large component of Argonaughts which make up the 8th company, the Chapter has formed a strong bond with the Adepts of Mars. Over 30 techmarines are currently present within the Chapter and routinely accompany the Night Hawks to battle operating Argonaughts and performing field repairs during prolonged deployments. Maintaining such a vast stock of equipment requires a vast portion of the chapters allotted wargear and as such tanks and drop pods are a rare commodity. Such ancient relics are held within the chapter armoury for all but the most dire of circumstances. Gene-seed Imperial records indicate that the Night Hawks Chapter was founded during the ninth founding early on in M33 from the White Scars’ gene-seed. The gene-seed appears stable if not more-so than that of the White Scars. Any apparent uncontrollable ferocity periodically displayed by the White Scars has not translated to the Night Hawks. Whether this is attributable to the meditations of the Marines or the stock in which their initiates are chosen is unknown. Battlecry “You are your own undoing!” Armoury The Night Hawks Chapter utilizes equipment not common to the Adeptus Astartes. Included among this list is the Mars-pattern hover bike. This STC was recovered from the 3rd moon of Korak Secundus late in M40. Following centuries of review by the Adepts of Mars, production on these bikes began and preliminary shipments were directed to the Night Hawks’ for use among the 1st company. The hover bike is not a true jetbike and is not capable of attaining heights of more than 1 metre above the ground's surface. What the hover bike does achieve is the ability to traverse uneven terrain with greater ease than a standard bike. The hover bike is also incapable of traversing bodies of water with a depth greater than 1 m as the gravemetric displacment field employed by the bike does not work with fluids. The Argonaught-varient land speeder was created in M38.657 on the forge world of Aritek. The adept Primalus had a shortfall of the materials required to create the anti-grav plating which provides the land speeder with it’s low altitude flight abilities. The A ground-based land speeder variant was thereby created in an attempt to fulfill the battlefield role of a light assault vehicle. It was quickly realized that the lack of anti-grav plating and the systems required for it greatly increased the available cargo capacity of the vehicle. Though falling out of favour in the eyes of many of the Astartes, the Night Hawks found this new variant to compliment their combat doctrine almost perfectly. The drawback of being ground-based was of little concern as the Chapter utilized them as a long-range support vehicle capable of carrying their much needed supplies; the benefits far outweighing the costs. The reduction in materials required to construct the variant also weighed heavily in its favour as the Chapter already devoted much of its resources to bikes. 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TheAmbit Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 I determined a paint scheme for these guys. I've already started on the speeders. http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/spacemarine.jpg I'm going to change the red shoulder trim based on the company they're from (also a good way to mark squads). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2895683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 I spent the last week finishing up my land speeders. I'd primed and basecoated these months ago but never had the motivation to start them. Once the paint started to fly though I couldn't stop. I love these little guys. http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/DSC04186.jpg I've got the tech marine piloting one as my fluff dictates and the shoulder markings show the company they're attached to. This will also be useful if I want to have a squad of 2. I'm going to do the rest of the bikers in the same style and will probably go with blue or yellow on the majority of them. I have 3 squads to do (and a captain) and was thinking of making two squads one colour (1 company) and a 3rd squad another. Maybe matching 1 of the speeders though I am not sure. I'm going to have to redo the fluff to maybe include 5 speeders per company. http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/DSC04188.jpg The weapons are all magnetized so that I can swap out autocannons or whatever at a later date though I like this pattern the best at the moment. Adding dirt was pretty easy with an airbrush. One spray of scortched brown and another of I think bubonic and done. http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/DSC04190.jpg I really liked the blue jet exhaust I put on my Mephiston so I copied it here. They're very fast ground cars :) http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/DSC04195.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2900356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 They're cool, but wouldn't engines like that send the thing flipping end over end through the air, spreading Space Marine bits across the landscape? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2900360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Clearly, their downward angle and position above and behind the rear axle creates a downward force on the front wheels. When coupled with the general slope of the vehicle the speeder hugs the ground quite well. This also provides great traction for its skid steer system. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2900362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Of course. It's so obvious now! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2900364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm glad you knew I was joking ;) In all seriousness, there is little to no impairment for the driver to hit operationally 'sweet jumps' which enables the vehicle to reach higher ground or clear buildings and intervening troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2900365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 In a state of awe! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-2901498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAmbit Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 I've finished a heavily converted landraider project to count as an achilles. Here's a sneak peak! http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/theambit/Converted%20Wing%20Bike%20Army/DSCF3311.jpg More images are avaialble here at my blog: The Hobby Ambit It was super fun to put together (tons and tons of resin bits), I did a lot of casting, green stuffing, gluing, painting and I think every technique I know how to do so it was a really great total project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224336-night-hawks-index-astartes-update/page/2/#findComment-3021190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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