arctic Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I heartily recomend this here Covers nicely, just used it for my new razorback, easily as good as chaos black and a lot cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Automotive paint... How well does it do on fine detail minis, my experience has been that auto paint + infantry = into the simple green. Great for tanks and the like, for infantry though, I tend to use army painter or armory primers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2683750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Way1and Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I swear by Krylon. Cheap, covers well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2683877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarmb Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Having access to few outdoor areas to spray and having no access to well ventilated areas, Sprays are generally not an option for me especially in the winter. That means I'm left to brush-on options. For those of you interested in the same, plain old Black Acrylic Gesso actually works pretty well. It goes on fast, dries fairly quick and doesn't obscure detail. Since you're using a brush it's hard to miss spots and it's much harder to over-paint than over-spray. The drawback is that for multiple models it's a bit on the slow side since you have to do each individually. EDIT: The same doesn't go for white gesso, which I've found to have spotty coverage, develops air bubbles during painting and pools into detail in such a way it gets obscured. It might just be the brands I've tried.. but the stuff is awful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2684387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 EDIT: The same doesn't go for white gesso, which I've found to have spotty coverage, develops air bubbles during painting and pools into detail in such a way it gets obscured. It might just be the brands I've tried.. but the stuff is awful. I've had the same experience with the white. Black paints tend to be more oily so they hold up very well with coverage and if they do pool into details it's easily to pull out and spread unlike white which sinks in and chunks up. I hand primed a lot of my wood elf army in white, it ended as a nightmare to say the least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2684658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Way1and Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Never had much luck brush priming. Lucky for me that I've got a porch and live in a warm clime, I guess. Gesso is used in oil painting, isn't it? I've always just used acrylics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I swear by Krylon. Cheap, covers well. +1 to that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Very simple tip if you are having trouble with black undercoat not covering... Hot water. Just put the can in it before spraying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarmb Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Never had much luck brush priming. Lucky for me that I've got a porch and live in a warm clime, I guess. Gesso is used in oil painting, isn't it? I've always just used acrylics. It is, but not exclusively. It works just fine as an primer/undercoat for acrylic paints going on plastic or resin miniatures. Probably metal too, though I've not tried that yet. I actually like it better than spray because it's easier to control and has no funny smell (inside or outside spray can stench tends to linger). It is however slow, and I dislike being limited to black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraternity Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I heartily recomend this here Covers nicely, just used it for my new razorback, easily as good as chaos black and a lot cheaper. I would add +1 to this too. I live in Scotland and found it a local auto parts shop. I used the grey for my wolves, then used washes over the top for my armour. Job done! The Black satin finish works well for my Dark Eldar too. And as above, cheap as chips! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I swear by Krylon. Cheap, covers well. I just bought a can of Krylon Indoor/Outdoor Grey Primer for my latest set of Grey Hunters. It worked very well. I found it better than hand painting a black undercoat because it retained more of the detail on the models. Now that could be from a combination of 1) it being a spray paint, so it goes on thin; and 2) I put the black undercoat on too thick when painting. However, using the spray removed some of those variables and gave me a nice, thin, undercoat to start painting over. I found I needed less paint on my Base coat to get good colour and coverage too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine77 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I took am a big proponent of using the krylon dark grey autobody primer. It works very well and, if used like any other primer, covers well and leaves all the details with obscuring them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224363-for-those-who-use-chaos-black-undercoat/#findComment-2685524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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