Nian Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Well the codex it out of the bag, its printed and in shops hands as we all know, those lucky enough to read it will have had the suspicions and near 100% confirmed rumours that the IST's have been removed from the Daemonhunter army. So are we surprised at the final gong and the rumour to be true? Are many of you fellow inquisitors, a bit miffed that your 30+ Storm Troopers will essentially go to waste, that is unless you go for the troop warbands that have worse stats than IST's and cost a little more with less customization and no veteran? I will be honest and say its somewhat disappointing, considering the IST's were the mainstay of cheap troops for so very long. So tell me how you feel? Is this a toy you have no qualms about loosing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamrodMC Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 are we surprised at the final gong and the rumour to be true? Not really, because, well, you said it yourself... the suspicions and near 100% confirmed rumours that the IST's have been removed As for being ticked off, I always used more inducted Guard than ISTs. Only had one squad of them, and I cleverly painted them in such a way that I can just use them in my alternate Guard-only list. In the end, though, I would have preferred both options to be present in the codex. Both are fluffy, and would have served different purposes, thus could justifiably have both been included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2682950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 So tell me how you feel? Is this a toy you have no qualms about loosing Excited. Yes. If I wanted to use the army men, I'd play IG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2682966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 grey knights aren't supposed to have cheap troops, they are supposed to be elite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2682980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nian Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 grey knights aren't supposed to have cheap troops, they are supposed to be elite. Storm Troopers are elites, just not elite Space Marines. They are the elite of the elite for the semi normal humans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2682996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 It's always a little disappointing to see certain kinds of choice removed. Nevertheless, speaking just for myself, I only ever wanted to play GKs, so I'm darn happy with the final product. As others have said, if I wanted to play normal humans of any kind, I'd be playing IG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 They can still be henchmen, :D ~Gil ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Guess it's time for my storm troopers to stop moonlighting and be faithful to their role in my Guard army and for my squad of Knights to find an comfy place on the shelf of retirement for a good long time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Black Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The only reason why im even going to pick up the codex is for the henchmen and Inquisitors. Ill run my penitent engines as dread knights and my IST as regular henchmen. I dont feel a loss at all. As a matter of fact if the leaked codex was accurate then I can have 16 scoring units in Lazorbacks all in one FOC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Guess it's time for my storm troopers to stop moonlighting and be faithful to their role in my Guard army and for my squad of Knights to find an comfy place on the shelf of retirement for a good long time. You wouldn't be looking to sell, would you? I can promise them years of almost-competent leadership and plenty of violence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwitexansfan Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The only reason why im even going to pick up the codex is for the henchmen and Inquisitors. Ill run my penitent engines as dread knights and my IST as regular henchmen. I dont feel a loss at all. As a matter of fact if the leaked codex was accurate then I can have 16 scoring units in Lazorbacks all in one FOC. 16 scoring units? Ummmmm, how? As for no ISTs, the models can still be used in the new dex and can be even more spammy with special weapons which was the whole beauty of the old ISTs. For me I am going to turn my 30 or so ISTs into various other things. Some warrior henchman, some daemonhosts, maybe some arcoflagellants..... it is going to be fun. The new book is WAY better for radical DH players than the old one. Now to figure if I can fluffily justify taking a non-GK dreadknight. If the GK only answer to the Inquistion and the inquistion has access to all the imperiums secrets, surely they may be able to secure one somehow? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Guess it's time for my storm troopers to stop moonlighting and be faithful to their role in my Guard army and for my squad of Knights to find an comfy place on the shelf of retirement for a good long time.You wouldn't be looking to sell, would you? I can promise them years of almost-competent leadership and plenty of violence.Nah. They may still get guest apocalypse appearances and if there ever is an integrated codex =][= I'd be kickin' myself. The soldiers all know that the shelf of retirement is a temporary thing, just ask the hivegangers who became the backbone of my zealot hordes and the arbites who hang with my battle sisters these days. Or my Thunder Hammer Termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think the ability to take squads of plasma guardsmen for 14? points each will quickly calm any disappointment that might exist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2683820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Black Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 16 scoring units? Ummmmm, how? 1)You take the Inquisitor that makes henchmen troops. 2) Henchmen warband dont take up force org slots 3) take bare min size squad of warriors with no war gear for each war band (Three Guys). 4) Put each three man squad in a lazorback. 5)Each scoring units comes to about 100pts 6)In an 1850 list you can get about 16 scoring troops all in lazorbacks Atleast this is how I read the play test codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Coteaz makes *all* henchment units troops. So a max of three without Coteaz (one for each of your other Inquisitors) that don't score. Or a max of six with Coteaz that do score. True, coteaz removes the 'limited to number of Inquisitor' restriction. But he doesn't remove the FoC 6 troops max limitation. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwitexansfan Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Coteaz makes *all* henchment units troops. So a max of three without Coteaz (one for each of your other Inquisitors) that don't score. Or a max of six with Coteaz that do score. True, coteaz removes the 'limited to number of Inquisitor' restriction. But he doesn't remove the FoC 6 troops max limitation. :D How are you taking 3 HQ slots? Is this something new in the actual codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 lol! Hang up to old codex. :D Two Inquisitors ofc. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'll be using my squads of IST's in Apocalypse games, in my Witch Hunter army (we'll see if they stay in the next WH codex!), and in my carapace-armoured IG army. They aren't gaudily painted so they'll fit in with any force. They're distinguished from IG STs by Inquisition symbols (from the WH decal sheet) on their left shoulder pads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyhawk Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Well. I'm sure as hell sad. I used them for years with great effect for such a "human" squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRCHAOS Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Its a shame they have been removed, as I was hopeing to see some new plastic ones. (IG Players will agree) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Black Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 True, coteaz removes the 'limited to number of Inquisitor' restriction. But he doesn't remove the FoC 6 troops max limitation. Top of page 90 on play test codex states "This unit does not use up a force organization slot" Thus you never fill the 6 troop slot cap and you can take as many as you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 That's quite obviously attached to the limited 'elite' slot verison you get to take when each Inquisitor you have in the army. Coteaz changes that entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 That's quite obviously attached to the limited 'elite' slot verison you get to take when each Inquisitor you have in the army. Coteaz changes that entirely. Coteaz simply states they may be taken in the troops, I fail to see how that negates them not taking up a FoS ~Gil :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_POINTED_STICK Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'll be using my squads of IST's in Apocalypse games, in my Witch Hunter army (we'll see if they stay in the next WH codex!), and in my carapace-armoured IG army. They aren't gaudily painted so they'll fit in with any force. They're distinguished from IG STs by Inquisition symbols (from the WH decal sheet) on their left shoulder pads. This is the Witch Hunter Codex... <_< There is codex Grey Knights (Inquisition). There will be a codex Sisters of Battle (Ecclesiarchy.) That is all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2684505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 About time we got an Ordo Xenos Codex (with ISTs and Deathwatch). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224367-byebye-inquisitorial-storm-troopers-the-toys-they-took-away/#findComment-2685429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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