My army start

[ArcAngelShadi]

hello other angels of death i would your help with my army list.

 

 

My im trying to make a army list with the blood angel battle force

 

i want the list to be a thousand points

 

i have the battle force unassembled

 

and i don't know what other models to add the collection

 

i still don't even know what scheme i want to paint them with

 

well to get back on track could you guys help me compose a 1000 point list, any additional models i need are fine.

 

 

( i have some ideas but i have never played an official game so i don't know whats good, i have only used the stores ultras for like 45min.

[Fishbone]

First of - Welcome to Baal ArcAngelShadi,

 

first you should hava a look at the Blood Angels Resources, there is plenty of informations about the various Successor Chaptors and about our available Units.

 

From my limitit experience I can think you're never wrong if you run a Libby with Shield and Rage + Assault Marines (probably in Razorbacks).

As the normal Marines are of little use in normal lists (thats my opinion, but there may be people who think they are good for various reasons, like claim mission targets). I would use them as Assault Marines and try to get my hands on a Land Raider turrent to convert the Rhino into a Razorback (the top hatch is included in the Rhino kit).

 

About the Death Company I'm afraid you need to test what you like because everyone plays them different.

 

Hope this could help you,

cheers Fishbone

[ArcAngelShadi]

this helped thanks

[Emperors Immortals]

ill get online once my baby is asleep and help you out some i promise :P

[ArcAngelShadi]

thank you

[Isryion]

The BA codex is incredibly flexible. You've got a good start with the battle force.

 

I would strongly consider mixing up the Death Company bits amongst your other models. I'd go without DC for bit, especially if you are just playing 1k games. If you decide you want DC, you can always pick up a box of those next. I'm not sure, but I think I've picked up 3-4 boxes of DC and spread the parts out amongst my whole army, including my 8 man DC unit. As mentioned, another decision you need to make is whether or not you're going to use tacticals. I'll assume you are since they're not all that bad. I've used them, but they aren't making my more recent, faster lists.

 

From what you have, I'd build:

 

10 Assault Squad w/jump packs 2x meltaguns and a power fist on the sergeant (unfortunately you'll probably need to find a couple melta guns for this) 235

10 Tacticals with meltagun, rocket launcher, PF on the sergeant and a rhino. 250

 

First I'd add:

1 Sanguinary Priest w/ a jump pack 75

1 reclusiarch w/ a jump pack 155 (or a librarian)

 

That comes out to 715 points, leaving you 285 room for an elite unit like: Vanguard Vets, Sanguinary Guard, Honor Guard, or Death Company + transport, Terminators, a couple Baal Preds, or a couple of Dreads. For that, and your next choices above 1k, you really will want to decide whether you are goomg heavy mechanized, DoA, or some other kind of hybrid. Then, are there certain HQs or units that you're really drawn to? Those two questions will really help inform people here to guide you.

[deftoneage12]

The BA codex is incredibly flexible. You've got a good start with the battle force.

 

I would strongly consider mixing up the Death Company bits amongst your other models. I'd go without DC for bit, especially if you are just playing 1k games. If you decide you want DC, you can always pick up a box of those next. I'm not sure, but I think I've picked up 3-4 boxes of DC and spread the parts out amongst my whole army, including my 8 man DC unit. As mentioned, another decision you need to make is whether or not you're going to use tacticals. I'll assume you are since they're not all that bad. I've used them, but they aren't making my more recent, faster lists.

 

From what you have, I'd build:

 

10 Assault Squad w/jump packs 2x meltaguns and a power fist on the sergeant (unfortunately you'll probably need to find a couple melta guns for this) 235

10 Tacticals with meltagun, rocket launcher, PF on the sergeant and a rhino. 250

 

First I'd add:

1 Sanguinary Priest w/ a jump pack 75

1 reclusiarch w/ a jump pack 155 (or a librarian)

 

That comes out to 715 points, leaving you 285 room for an elite unit like: Vanguard Vets, Sanguinary Guard, Honor Guard, or Death Company + transport, Terminators, a couple Baal Preds, or a couple of Dreads. For that, and your next choices above 1k, you really will want to decide whether you are goomg heavy mechanized, DoA, or some other kind of hybrid. Then, are there certain HQs or units that you're really drawn to? Those two questions will really help inform people here to guide you.

 

I would do this and add an Assault Terminator squad with mix of LC and TH/SS. You can deep strike them and put them in the enemies face easy. Yesterday I played my BA against Elder and I ran 1k points. I had this list:

 

Libby TDA, U.Rage Smite

10 Tactical, Rocket, Flame

10 Tactical, Plas cannon, Plasgun

5 Termy all TH/SS

Baal Pred AssCan HB sponson

 

I had the troops objective camp and I deep struck my termies with libby and demolished the elder wraithlord and wave serpents. My Baal outflanked them and ate up a group of rangers that were camping. Good game I must say, but this is my 1k list and I love it. PM if you like

[Emperors Immortals]

Okay, sorrry i took so long its really busy here today.

 

 

First, those are some excellant posts above, and cover the real basics.

 

Now, have you thought about the type of force youd like to play with? BA are very flexible and you can be Dreadnought heavy, have a lot of tanks carrying troops to your objectives or even have a force dedicated to aerial assault (ie jump pack assault troops.)

 

Personally, id take the first option posted above, Isyrion has a nice easy list that is very well rounded and can be added to easily.

 

Ill get back online as soon as i can, but spare a thought as to what youd like our force to look like.

[Gv0zD]

Battleforce is a good start, but you'dstill have to buy additional sets to build a hood army.

 

For 1000 pts I'd go with:

 

- Rclusiarch with 5 men death company (thunderhammer and a power weapon) in a Rhino;

 

- 10 men tact with meltagun, missile launcher and combi-melta, combat squadded with a razorback (with flamer);

 

- jumpy 10 men assault squad with powerfist and two meltaguns;

 

- and maybe a jumpy-shooty honor guard (with either meltas or plasmas).

[Highborn Mergula]

I have some BA tips for you.

1.Dont use captains use libbrarians theyre waaaay better.

2.5Man assault squad razorback with a sanguinary priest remember to keep the sanguinary p inside the razorback so the Ba's still gets the bonus and the priest cant get wounded.

3.Regular predators with H bolter sponsons they cost 100p and gets 6str 5 shoots and 2str 7 but still they can move 6inches.

4.VINDICATOR ARE AWESOMENES VINDICATOR WITH SIEGE SHEILD ARE EVIL GODNESS!!!

5.terminator assault squad with 5Thunder h and 5storm sheilds.

6.Land speeders with missile launcher are good against the most of things. :P

7.3Scout bikers with asartes g launcher are super killy against infantry, And theyre fast so they can take objectives easy.

Then furioso dreadnoughts allways kill thing for there points.

[captain Angel]

What i did was i got a box of death company and used all the bits that had the X on them to build my death company, along with some randome heads and chests and a few other regular bits to make my death companey.

[ArcAngelShadi]

This really helps a lot guys..... i kind wanna make an assualt and shooty army....

 

i dont have my codex with me but i kinda wanted a reclusiarch with DC in rhino( idk this is expensive)

 

Some termies would be nice

 

i love how assualt marines are troops in Ba thats pretty cool so i was thinking about adding some of them.

 

 

I still looking at the ideaa from you guys and there really helpful thanks.

[Isryion]

I have some BA tips for you.

1.Dont use captains use libbrarians theyre waaaay better.

2.5Man assault squad razorback with a sanguinary priest remember to keep the sanguinary p inside the razorback so the Ba's still gets the bonus and the priest cant get wounded.

3.Regular predators with H bolter sponsons they cost 100p and gets 6str 5 shoots and 2str 7 but still they can move 6inches.

4.VINDICATOR ARE AWESOMENES VINDICATOR WITH SIEGE SHEILD ARE EVIL GODNESS!!!

5.terminator assault squad with 5Thunder h and 5storm sheilds.

6.Land speeders with missile launcher are good against the most of things. :D

7.3Scout bikers with asartes g launcher are super killy against infantry, And theyre fast so they can take objectives easy.

Then furioso dreadnoughts allways kill thing for there points.

 

Just as an example of how flexible BA are, I don't use any of these units or configurations in my list and I have been pretty successful. The exceptions are that I agree with the first part of #1 and I have started using a furioso, but I take a DC dread first when I build a list with DC.

[Drachnon]

Depending on how you equip your DC + reclusiarch in Rhino it doesn't have to be that expensive. It did math for such a squad last week and if you can life with 9 DC with one powerfist and I think 1 power weapon + reclusiarch in a Rhino is 400 points. It also covers 2 of your mandatory choices. (this is about the same as a full assault squad with PF and 2 melta's + reclusiarch with JP iirc).

 

DC models are actually only 20 points which despite their flaws is a good price for a marine with WS5, 2A, FnP and FC. Not to mention if they charge with Reclusiarch they can kill almost anything.

 

DISCLAIMER: I don't have my codex here so I might be wrong on the point costs.

[captain Angel]

You are right on the cost, but i would drop the power weapon, take a chaplian in stead of a reclusiarch and trade the fist for a hammer, which will give the intitive subtraction and the crew stuned result on vehicles. i like the chaplain better because it is lower in points and frees another hq slot. the chaplain has a power weapon already so i do not see the need for another.

[Gv0zD]

If you go for chappy (Elite choice) you'd need an hq. Not "another" one, but at least one. Req alone costs 130 pts, chappy costs 100 pts and the cheapest hq is libby (100 pts). So you trade 130 pts for 200 pts. In 1500 + list I'd do the same, but in 1k with DC Req should be enough.

[Isryion]

Depending on how you equip your DC + reclusiarch in Rhino it doesn't have to be that expensive. It did math for such a squad last week and if you can life with 9 DC with one powerfist and I think 1 power weapon + reclusiarch in a Rhino is 400 points.

 

While DC do fill a troops slot and aren't that expensive, they aren't an ideal troops choice. They can work, and I regularly use them in my own 1k list, but I wouldn't recommend them in a 1k list to a brand new BA player, especially one just learning the game. 2/3 of the games are about objectives and I'd highly recommend that he brings at least two units that can hold them and avoid incorporating rage just yet. A 400 point unit that includes rage in a 1k list is going to skew a new player's perspective about both how to use DC as well as their impact.

 

You are right on the cost, but i would drop the power weapon, take a chaplain in stead of a reclusiarch

The chappy is also a good choice but is not an HQ. So, he'd still be in need of an HQ as someone else mentioned. In a list like this, I'd try and keep it simple and go with a reclus or librarian -- not both -- in a 1k list and swap them in and out from game to game.

 

Some termies would be nice

 

If you are going with termies, you'll usually want a ride, though at 1k it would be tough to fit in. Something to consider as you expand is a Stormraven or Land Raider to tote them around;)

[Emperors Immortals]

This really helps a lot guys..... i kind wanna make an assualt and shooty army....

 

i dont have my codex with me but i kinda wanted a reclusiarch with DC in rhino( idk this is expensive)

 

Some termies would be nice

 

i love how assualt marines are troops in Ba thats pretty cool so i was thinking about adding some of them.

 

 

I still looking at the ideaa from you guys and there really helpful thanks.

 

 

 

First sorry i couldnt post earlier but its all hell here at work.

 

Heres a modified list i use for 1000 and 1250 pt battles, i like to include all the stuff you have listed so its pretty useful :D

 

 

 

HQ

Reclusiarch with melta bombs + storm bolter (so he can still shoot and assault) 138pts

 

Elite

5 Terminators

Sang Priest 50pts

 

Troops

5 Death Company + thunderhammer 130pts

10 tac squad (w/free weapons) 185pts

5 man Assault squad +flamer +handflamer on sarge 133

 

So, theres 818pts.

 

I usually add to this a rhino or drop pod for the tac squad and 2 razor backs for the DC and the Assault squad to bring it up to 938 pts, so you have room to add squad members, weapons or upgrades or drop somethign for a dread etc.

 

 

This allows you to have a fairly competitive but very fun list with a good basis to expand you army from.

 

The basic idea is the tac squad will hold up very well with the termies teleporting in around them, and can easily hold a table quarter sized area at his point level (most people go with assault termies but ive found them far too costly as the cant assault the turn they teleport in and a transport costs over 200pts) this can be used to engage the enemy in CC (in a pinch) but is best to unload mass boler fire and contest up to 2 strategic points.Plus the rhino is a great LoS blocker.

 

The DC are rushed forward in a RB which can be used to ram enemy units or as a very handy LoS blocker.Dont expect them to survive the game, but they will murder enough things to make them fun to play.

 

Place the Priest with the assault squad and never take him out of there RB (assault cannon upgrade is great here it can kill infantry or light/medium vehicles, or a twinlinked heavy flamer to add to the flamers of death squad for up close fire fights) this unit can hold up for several turns and is used to reinforce other elements of the army or claim an objective by itself.The all flamer variant has been instrumental in helping me defeat eldar on many occassions.

 

 

 

Thats a list ive found very useful and very competitive without sacrificing any amount of being fun to play.

 

You can also drop teh Ass squad for a Dreadnought (any type is fun) or swap out the termies for a lot more flexibility (there worth a dread and a pred for example).As i expand this list i add a full assault squad and a DC dread to about 1250 pts and then start to take thigns like Baal preds, furioso's and sang gaurd (which are great BTW)

 

It will also give you a feel for special rules (DC and termies) vehicles (tanks) and army cohesion and placement without needing to buy to many extras (just a Rec and 2 Razors - always buy razors as you can run them as a rhino as well).

 

good luck and make sure to keep us posted and always remember that BA are an amazingly versatile army and no two lists are ever the same.:P

[Brother Nathan]

everyhing everyone has said is pretty dead on.

for purchases i would advise to buy an hq of your choice. preferably for the points limit a chaplin(reclusiarch) or libarian. your choice. go for a special if you want but to learn id start with the small guys first. regardles syou need an hq to be legal to play. if you want you could even convert your own but thats up to you.

then id reccomend the death co box. its not a must but the parts will help with customisation and lok soooo cool. you dont need to assemble them as death co, just do as you wish.

when you have all that going you sould be heading owards 1000. maby look towards the veichle choices. i reccomend both the baal and vindicator...

[ArcAngelShadi]

this is so helpful thanks guys

[Highborn Mergula]

I have some BA tips for you.

1.Dont use captains use libbrarians theyre waaaay better.

2.5Man assault squad razorback with a sanguinary priest remember to keep the sanguinary p inside the razorback so the Ba's still gets the bonus and the priest cant get wounded.

3.Regular predators with H bolter sponsons they cost 100p and gets 6str 5 shoots and 2str 7 but still they can move 6inches.

4.VINDICATOR ARE AWESOMENES VINDICATOR WITH SIEGE SHEILD ARE EVIL GODNESS!!!

5.terminator assault squad with 5Thunder h and 5storm sheilds.

6.Land speeders with missile launcher are good against the most of things. :D

7.3Scout bikers with asartes g launcher are super killy against infantry, And theyre fast so they can take objectives easy.

Then furioso dreadnoughts allways kill thing for there points.

 

Just as an example of how flexible BA are, I don't use any of these units or configurations in my list and I have been pretty successful. The exceptions are that I agree with the first part of #1 and I have started using a furioso, but I take a DC dread first when I build a list with DC.

Yeah i know what you mean with the DC dread it's also super killy.