What would you do?

[Sigmund Hammerhand]

I think if someone with severe dental problems, road rage (and all other kinds of rage), and who just ripped someone's head off and therefore is covered in blood, said to you "Hi, I'm from the future...", you'd probably not take their word for it.

 

I'd probably buy Russ a drink (before telling him I'm from the future), then bugger off and tell him to take it easy. Maybe have a chat with the Emperor to see if he's really such a sour character, and where all that Xenophobia came from.

 

Seriously though, the whole 40k fluff relies so much on the idiocy of all parties involved, that no good would ever come from you telling anyone what's going to happen (you'll just be declared a disciple of the dark gods and executed in a very messy way). I mean, if someone is hell bent on making genocide and mass murder the only option, reasoning with him is a bit like pissing against the wind. And probably the last stupid thing you'll ever do...

[Grey Mage]

@the jeske: I'm not sure, but if the rescuers ship don't appear mutated or daemonic... I'd think common sense would say they look clean enough and not tainted like the traitor legions. I don't know allot about 40K, and I just read up on Space Wolves, but how old are the ships in the space wolf fleet? Do they date back to the great crusades? and aren't space wolves bff with a navigator house?

On one hand, a house belsarius navigator would be a good sign, and might help get your foot in the door. As would the part where you fought against the enemy.

 

On the other hand, at that point in the heresy, ships werent particularly mutated, heck most marines werent either.

 

It would be a set of serious tests and complete acquiescence to a boarding party that would keep the peace.

[The Rose Princes]

Seriously though, the whole 40k fluff relies so much on the idiocy of all parties involved

just remember how well the Emperor took the truth from Magus the Red....

 

"My Emperor, I have grave news to tell you!"

"Are.... are you contacting me with magic?"

"Um.... yes? But I have to tell you about Horus and...."

"What did I tell you about using magic?"

"But my lord, it's very important that I...."

"What did I tell you about using magic!?"

"...... You said 'Stop using magic, you dumbass.'"

"And here you are blatantly using magic right in my face."

"But my lord, Horus is...."

"No buts... if you want to talk to me you do it through the proper channels. This conversation is over."

"But Hor...."

"OVER!"

 

 

 

i have a feeling it would end something like that.... enjoy Russ's company while you can.

[the jeske]

I'm not sure, but if the rescuers ship don't appear mutated or daemonic...

neither were the fleets of chaos legions save maybe DG .

I would think the space wolves would show a bit of respect.

if you have an enemy and you have any feelings for them other then hate[which by the way as a soldier you shouldnt , it only makes things complicated] , then respect means you know that those bastards on the other side arent completly incommpetent or plain weak . With an normal human ship SW may have just crippled their engines and let them freez in the void of space , but against other sm you never know . maybe they will use bording torpedos /self destruct / do a suicide thunder hawk run or mass teleport assault . You never know because those other guys are space marines. and out of respect you shot them first . twice to be sure.

 

It is like you clean a civilian basment and bunker . For a basement a single granded is more then enough , for bunkers you always use 2-3 and always check if there is someone left alive.

 

 

 

 

I'd think common sense would say they look clean enough and not tainted like the traitor legions.

armies dont work like that . you dont go hmm that tank over there seems not to be chechen , lets check who those guys realy are . no , armies work like this . Is it civilian or military . If civilian your shoting at it . no question asked as they wont shot back. If they are military and not already shoting at you . you ask for pass/code , if they dont give it you shot .

I dont think there would be something as a break and russ/heresy era thinking hmm whose is that ship on the right . maybe they would ask questions after a bording action and cripling the ship . but only if they had time , which considering they were kind of a in a hurry to get to terra, wouldnt happen .

[maverik_girl]

;) Ohh.. LOL I forgot wear my new fashion accessory from the recent Paris Fashion Week, my new grim dark thinking cap :sick:

[LoneSniperSG]

Hold that thought, 'cause your ships are festooned in Space Wolf emblems and Imperial Aquilas. I don't think people will that stupid in the Heresy era.

 

Imperial Aquilas was a post heresy thing for sm , pre and durning the heresy the only ship that could have had one was n EC one [which went rogue] .

 

Not true. The power armor didn't have aquilas but the ships did, and I think that by that time the traitor legions had de-faced all loyalist emblems such as aquilas and such forth.

 

Plus your ships aren't purple like EC ships.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Hold that thought, 'cause your ships are festooned in Space Wolf emblems and Imperial Aquilas. I don't think people will that stupid in the Heresy era.

 

Imperial Aquilas was a post heresy thing for sm , pre and durning the heresy the only ship that could have had one was n EC one [which went rogue] .

 

Not true. The power armor didn't have aquilas but the ships did, and I think that by that time the traitor legions had de-faced all loyalist emblems such as aquilas and such forth.

 

Plus your ships aren't purple like EC ships.

 

Source please. (with ale on top)

[Bulweih]

Everytime brother Mav asks a question like this, I tend to feel like a subject in some psyche test. I guess our answers tell him more about us then we'd like to share, but that's only me I guess :) .

 

But here we go. I'd surely engage the enemy, no matter the cost. After that it's unlikely to be overlooked by Russ and his fleet. Most likely they will try to make contact and I would have to answer to avoid being atomised by his flagship. After that it will get worse as the Wolf King will know you're his gene son, but also none of his current ones.

To best avoid this curve of events I'd try to disappear right after the fight is over. Messing with the past is never a good idea.

[Emperors Immortals]

Id assume that all ships are suspect, and that firing on them would be preferable then having an unknown warship floating around near you in such a hostile time.

 

 

But im much more concerned about the idea i see here with the time traveler going back and being extra to that reality.He cant be, if you travle back youre stuck - youve effectivly become you in that time and place, therefore whatever you do may or may not effect teh future but certainly cannot effect teh future as it exists when you left as it no longer exists at all.In other words, go back and kill Hitler - great hes dea.But war probably would not be averted the future may be different for non-amazing reasons (maybe MTV was never invented, or Google was invented by Microsoft) and you better pick the right time to kill him or youd be arrested for murder.

 

I hope that makes sense.

[postal105]

i would send all the data i have on the history after that point to Tera along with sending it out on a broad band frequency encrypted in such a way that only space wolves of that era could understand it and then after swatting a few fly's in the area high tail it out of their and try to see if i could possibly reinforce the 13th Co at a later date in the eye of terror so that i could hunt our foes there.

[slmellon]

As someone said before, my best bet is my navigator. I would have mine communicate with the Space Woves fleet navis and hopefully work out the who's who that way. As far as warfare, I am assuming my ship is faster more resilient and better armed after 10000 years of constant war, and try to blast the kaos worshiping scum afar, hopefully being able to outreach everyone in system. After all is said and done I would wait for what my navigator says and either bounce for parts unknown or fight with Russ until the my last man. If I am gonna bounce, I am gonna visit the back water tau and destroy them before they evolve into a threat. Then attempt to colonize there homeworld as my own.

[Warhead01]

This one gets the ol' thinker going!

Contact would be a very tough decision so I agree with a lot of the don't do it's. An astropathic massage to a specific ship might work but to keep the past as true as possible less would be more, you might get lucky with some fore knowledge. looking for the escape routs or known stopping points the traitors used, picking your battles becoming forward intell for the wolf king passing back ship/fleet compensation and legion location and strength. it would be a very tough road with little time to make the correct decision. we would have to give up some well trusted wolves to speak on our behalf at some point. a lot depends on Russ and how he moves. but allowing a few "choice" threads to be cut short might be the most productive thing to do.

One question I have is how well would the wolves play such a long game?

If the Legion could be drawn into playing this game then a lot would change. but if say the Dispoiler was removed who might take his place? someone or something worse?

[Guest Triszin]

i'd send all data to both the emperor and the space wolves. not to terra, as the high lords would choose to let what happened happen, so they could be in power. i'd then try to aid both the wolves and the emperor, and set up a trap in the original escape routes of the fleeing legions to destroy them all together. then go drinking, and party till i black out.

 

also try to convince the emperor to tell russ not to destroy prospero, so the thousand suns would attack horus. then deal with him at a later date.

[Quillen]

Ok everyone posted how some ideas of time travel work but not one of them.

 

It works like this.

 

You were born here. So you exist. You find a means to travel back. So you do. You time line is fine. You were born you exist and you put yourself in another time line. it accepts you from that point. So your tethered. Your now part of the new time line. Now your desicion s make an impact here. Which can change the futire from this point. But your time line already happened for you and your now tethered here. Once you left your time line it is gone.

 

And if this is how it works, your fine.

 

If given a chance to change a fantasy future of 40k I would do so. You have a moral obligation. Even if it wrote your history out. A chance to not have the Emperium in it's current state is too important.

 

 

I would make contact with Russ, and tell him all that I know will happen. As we do not know all that happened. Just some of it. I would then try and help him make contact with the Emperor. As well as all the Primarchs and warn them all of what is happening. So those that made mistakes in judgement could try and do the right thing. Once confronted, and with it all in the light, most of them would stop. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it all be know. And then Horus will have strife in his own legions before he can kill off those still loyal. The whole betreyal will fall apart before it can start.

[Grimfoe]

Ok everyone posted how some ideas of time travel work but not one of them.

 

It works like this.

 

You were born here. So you exist. You find a means to travel back. So you do. You time line is fine. You were born you exist and you put yourself in another time line. it accepts you from that point. So your tethered. Your now part of the new time line. Now your desicion s make an impact here. Which can change the futire from this point. But your time line already happened for you and your now tethered here. Once you left your time line it is gone.

 

And if this is how it works, your fine.

 

If given a chance to change a fantasy future of 40k I would do so. You have a moral obligation. Even if it wrote your history out. A chance to not have the Emperium in it's current state is too important.

 

 

I would make contact with Russ, and tell him all that I know will happen. As we do not know all that happened. Just some of it. I would then try and help him make contact with the Emperor. As well as all the Primarchs and warn them all of what is happening. So those that made mistakes in judgement could try and do the right thing. Once confronted, and with it all in the light, most of them would stop. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it all be know. And then Horus will have strife in his own legions before he can kill off those still loyal. The whole betreyal will fall apart before it can start.

 

I agree with this completely. I'd like to reiterate that I don't think we should spend too much time thinking about it. (we are space wolves, after all) But once we left the "old" timeline, it ceases to exist. We should work to make this "new" timeline better. Perhaps even keep the Emperor from the throne.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Hail the Space Wolves flagship.

 

"Lord Russ. I bring a message vital to the Legion and the Imperium of Man."

 

Standing at his command station, towering over even the Marines about him, The Wolf King, Leman of the Russ.

 

"Who are you, I do not know you."

 

"Strange fates have conspired to bring us here. I must speak with you. I will come alone."

 

A shuttle crosses the darkness of space, a blue grey armoured warrior stands before the father of the Space Wolves. He is armed, of course, but he touches no weapon. He kneels, then rises.

 

"My Lord, you stand on the brink of the abyss. Horus has deceived you all."

 

"This cannot be, Horus is the greatest of the Emperor's servants."

 

"You know my scent, you know I am not lying."

 

The Wolf King's nostrils flare. "I know that you believe what you say, I do not know that it is the truth." A scowl. "You could be a product of Magnus' mad wizardry. The gods know what devilry he is afflicting us with now."

 

"I could be, this is true. I do not think so though. I was born 9500 years from now, and I bring data chips that will show what the Imperium has become in the wake of Horus' treachery."

 

"I will see them, then make my judgement."

 

Hours pass in which Russ watches account after account of the darkness that the Imperium descends into.

 

"This cannot be, yet, would deception on this scale be possible." He strides the deck angrily. The future Wolf simply stands and waits. His faith in his king is complete, Russ will do the right thing.

 

At length the pacing stops. The Wolf King slaps armoured gauntlets on the other's shoulders. "I have heard you. I feel no deception in you, nor any trace of magic. We will go to Terra, where you will speak before the Emperor."

 

One of his lieutenants speaks. "My lord, Horus directed us against Magnus and his Thousand Sons."

 

Russ nods, "aye, he did that. However if our new friend speaks true then such an action would be contrary to the wishes of the Emperor." A cold smile. "If needs be, we can deal with the planet of sorcerers at a later date."

[Warhead01]

It seems a lot of this theory works on the assumption that the Emperor wasn't just letting it all play out from the start..and that he wouldn't know "we" had arrived in "his" timeline. being the most powerful psychic ever he would notice a new blip on his radar that being our Astropath. ( my logic is as good as your.. :D ) From what I have read in the HH novels I do believe he know what was going on and in some way was forced to let it happen. like a Rune Priest said .. "his mind is very loud"

[maverik_girl]

Everytime brother Mav asks a question like this, I tend to feel like a subject in some psyche test. I guess our answers tell him more about us then we'd like to share, but that's only me I guess ^_^ .

tell me about it! and its not just you :P imagine playing poker with the guy ;) the psychologist in him just can't help but pick people's minds; for seer entertainment, or just social experiment.. doesn't help he's a bit of a prankster.

 

anyway, I think I would let certain events play out to keep the time line stable and predictable to what my great company knows. It's like being Bishop from X-Men, you know what's going to happen.. pick and choose your battles, and let certain events play out, as it should. It's going to be hard watching certain events unfold, and certain people die. But you can help prepare for the future, and greater threats like the Necrons and the Bugs. I might even set up a secret society/alliance to prevent that from happening?! I'm sure the Eldar might want in on the Nid's intel. Might even infiltrate into renegade marines as sleeper agents/packs. Might even be considered as the "Red Wolves" seen in today's current time line

[Firenze]

I would assist the Wolf King to all of my ability. Considering I am a 13th company Iron Priest, I already did.

[postal105]

point set match for Firenze...... beacuse he has been there done that all ready

[Kassill]

Sorry if this has been brought up before...

 

But what if the ship you and your Great Company come through the warp in, is a ship already present? Arent most of the ships in the Imperium really, really old? Just a thought...

 

 

I still stick to my, "Assist Russ at all costs" method. B)

[Emperors Immortals]

Sorry if this has been brought up before...

 

But what if the ship you and your Great Company come through the warp in, is a ship already present? Arent most of the ships in the Imperium really, really old? Just a thought...

 

 

I still stick to my, "Assist Russ at all costs" method. B)

 

 

In this case, im sure you would be found to have violated the Emperors Divine IP, and will be summarily expelled into teh warp.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Sorry if this has been brought up before...

 

But what if the ship you and your Great Company come through the warp in, is a ship already present? Arent most of the ships in the Imperium really, really old? Just a thought...

 

 

I still stick to my, "Assist Russ at all costs" method. :)

 

Thats how i see it myself.

 

If there is a chance, any chance no matter how small, that me helping Russ could tip the scales of fate and help create a better future for the Imperium and mankind, then i'll take it without hesitating.

 

which is actually funny, as i have had time travel debates, and often said i wouldnt kill hitler (due to the infamous "devil you know"), but here is a different scale. it isnt a country, or a planet that we're trying to save, but rather the future of a race. we know what happens is terrible beyond measure, so i would try and change things.

 

WLK