LordOfSkyfall Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Hello Brother Blood Angels I have been thinking over the last few hours about "The Darkest Hour" - the event at the turn of the 42 millenium... Not so hopeless as i see it :P Consider this, we are told in the codex that all but the Lamenters (cowards) respond in some way to Baal's plee for help, with the entire Flesh Tearers chapter deployed to defend their perent legion and its home planet. Now exact figures are not given as to how many astartes from the our successors show up but we are told that Dante unites the surrounding star systems in defiance. Lets say the other sucessors lend at least half there chapter to the defence of Baal, thats roughly 3900 - 4000 astartes (including the whole Blood Angels chapter) and even more if more are sent (up to 6400 with full chapter help excluding Lamenters), call me crazy but IMO thats a small legion in itsself and more than enough to hold off the attack from both Ka'Banda and the Nids. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabgoi Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Actually I was thinking more along the lines of what happens when they release all the DC Marines that are stored in various towers and such all at once into the heart of a demon army. I mean, if 20 DC can ruin someone's day, imagine a few hundred unleashed right into the center of an army raised by the demon that wounded Sanguinus as they releive Sanguinus' last moments. Can you say demon blender? Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Heh we will send our lads in on the Backs of Black painted Carnosaurs :D Really everyone can stay at home and let the First and second foundings take care of this little uprising :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andurin Marvak Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I wonder just how many of us use BA successor chapters, DIY or otherwise. Can you imagine a campaign with all of us lined up against the Chaos Folk from this board, and say, the gentlemen from The Tyranid Hive or any of those similar boards? The results would be epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debauchery101 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 man that would be a tough fight for either forces. though i would have to give the upper hand to Chaos. the sorcerors and lords of any chaos factions would definately wait until the loyalists are at the grips of the fiercest fighting against the nids sucking up all the souls lost in battle and using the likely high warp turblulence in the areas to wreak some nasty attacks with fresh forces daemon and traitors alike. also even tho the DC might be ripping up hordes of daemons and traitors blood shed is blood shed and theres always one god who thrives regardless of where the casualties come from! a very dangerous path the blood angels and successors will have to tread when immersed in a major chaos confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 ....all but the Lamenters (cowards).... :devil: It's heavily implied that the Lamenters were wiped out by the Tyranids. So calling them cowards is a bit unfair don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Reaver Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 ....all but the Lamenters (cowards).... :devil: It's heavily implied that the Lamenters were wiped out by the Tyranids. So calling them cowards is a bit unfair don't you think? True, but the Lamenters have never been known to be in contact with the other chapters of Sanguinius. Either they are ashamed of their ill luck curse or just don't really care. What really brings the Blood Angels and their successors together, IMO, is the black rage and red thirst. Together, the chapters are attempting to find a cure for the curse which will aid in their survival. The Lamenters do not suffer from the curse so they probably do not feel the kinship the other chapters share. But none the less, not aiding a chapter in which your geneseed comes from is quite cowardly. Regaurding the "Darkest Hour", even if each chapter lends a company of marines, I believe it will be more than enough to repel a splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Leviathan. It took the Ultramarines half their chapter to take down the tyranid force that beset Maccrage, so I am pretty sure it won't be too hard for a group of chapters to take it down. And yes, I know the Ultramarines lost their entire veteran company, but the force defending the Baal System, outnumbers the UM force significantly. The real problem I see will be from Ka'Bhandha and his daemon army. As someone said earlier, the bloodshed will fuel the daemons of Khorne, empowering them to greater feats of strength and carnage. But the scions of Sanguinius should prevail as the Sanguinor can single handedly take down Ka'Bhandha by himself. (pg. 19 of BA codex) the sorcerors and lords of any chaos factions would definately wait until the loyalists are at the grips of the fiercest fighting against the nids sucking up all the souls lost in battle and using the likely high warp turblulence in the areas to wreak some nasty attacks with fresh forces daemon and traitors alike. Its a daemon army of Khorne so they will most likely be no Chaos marines and especially not any sorcerers as Khorne hates magic. What I am really curious about is when it says that some former foes can be counted in Dante's alliance. Dante is uniting Imperial and xenos world together to defend against this threat. I think this may hint to Eldar aiding in the battle. Any thoughts? Sun Reaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'm guessing you haven't read IA9? If death isn't a disqualifying factor then why isn't Sanguinius getting off his lazy butt to help out too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 What I am really curious about is when it says that some former foes can be counted in Dante's alliance. Dante is uniting Imperial and xenos world together to defend against this threat. I think this may hint to Eldar aiding in the battle. Any thoughts? Sun Reaver He'll summon his Necron buddies :) Seriously though, I think it would be Eldar. Those arrogant xenos are smart enough to understand the danger of raving Khorne army. And BA proved themselves effective against them. The only thing that I care of is that the mighty =][= typically wipes out anyone who dealt with daemons, and if talking of space marines =][= deletes their memory. So do you think they'll do the same thing with BA and friends after they are vectorious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 you seem to be forgetting that the blood angels ont get on with alot of people. some of the inquisition want rid but theres more that would never be without us. same with many guard orgainisations. the madmen quote. then that many other chapters dont like us, and that the mechanicum are still annoyed that we havent handed over the baal stc... oh and renegades like the knights of blood...heck and thats ust the imperial guys so i wouldnt read much into it just yet. as for winning... dont know. should be a close fight. its not like the bloodthirster is alone, he has an army. he has a plan. and somehow hes traveling to baal?that confuses me. cause deamons come into the material universe through warp holes things. how are they then moving through the universe and staying? and he has a khorne army. i suspect they aint alone. and then we have nids. great 2 horde cc specialists armys heading right to baal. and the black rage takes enough brothers in a normal battle, i think a few chapters might compleately turn here. yea actually maby we should be stockingup on lots of bolter rounds and tons of lack paint...oh and ba arnt renound for being good at holding positions(yes im looking at you 3rd ed devistators...) and i think it will be 10k marines + otherwise were bucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 If Dante summons BA successors, and maybe Ultras, Wolves and Fists, Grey Knights (we're fighting daemons here), and if Eldar come to help destroy bugs and daemons... If it all happens we may have a war that will overshadow Armageddon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 that depends on how dark their fluff is. i would assume every chapter should be heading towardsa war to end all wars and should be too busy to be able to aid the ba. you know the whole grimdark. also if everyone goes to baal, then whos taking on the rest of the univereses horrors. if saving the ba means killing the emeror then the ba would be better to die. hey wait does that mean that were gonna miss the next battle at terra, damm... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Remeber how many Chapters fought at Armageddon :) Badab war was also a remarkable event. I just though that Imperal Armor: Siege of Baal would be pretty nice :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodred0114 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 to tell the truth I think it's kind of like a balanced scale right now that can tip in favor of one side or another very easily. if the Eldar and Grey Knights join the BA or even just one of those groups then they have a lot better chance. As much as I hate to admit it the Xeno scum (Eldar) have been fighting Demons for millennia and at least partially succeeding, and the Grey Knights are made for nothing more than killing Demons. Nids will not be a problem for so many SM chapters in one place, but it all hinges on units that can easily kill Demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 oh, dont get me wong it would, but i thinnk gw has alot of stuff to do before we would need it. look at the traitors if you dont believe me... and we still have the cron dex, sisters, next ultramarine dex, probably nids then legions... hopefully... maby tau and eldar in there somewhere. never mind dark angels and black templars... and thts just gw,forgeworld if i rember correctly is a fair bit slower and has alot more stuff to do. they hav only thefirst babdab war book out and are still waiting on the second. and theres always the distractions of all the preherasy stuff too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabgoi Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 You know, in the fluff section of the DC Apoc Formation it states that since the Blood Angels are so psychicly attuned as a chapter (the DC being a result of this) that the DC actually become stonger the more of them there are in one place. Which is why when you feild a formation of them the entire army gets basically the blood talon rules. For every wound caused in close combat they immediately take another attack. So lots of dead things. And if the Ultra Smurfs could hold on their own against a splinter fleet I see zero reason any Sons of Sanguinus chapter could not do the same. I mean its not like ultra smurfs can wipe entire squads of gaunts in close combat like a furiouso can. As for deamons, as pointed out the BAs have banished Ka'Bhandha before, and can do it again. The codex even states the Grey Knights show up some times, other times the BAs handle it on their own. If the incursion is as big as it is being made out to be you better believe the Grey Knights will be out in large numbers, its their job to be. I think as long as Swallows does not end up writing the fluff for this battle we are good. I mean, since when do space marines of any chapter worship the Emperor as a god? Sorry, just read Black Tide two days ago, still upset by his repeated kicks to the balls of existing fluff, I'll stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 if we are so good, then its hardly the darkest hour. think about it...if we come through at all it will becasue more people turn like mephy... imagine that as an army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 if we are so good, then its hardly the darkest hour. think about it...if we come through at all it will becasue more people turn like mephy... imagine that as an army... Dont tell Mat Ward. Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 You know, in the fluff section of the DC Apoc Formation it states that since the Blood Angels are so psychicly attuned as a chapter (the DC being a result of this) that the DC actually become stonger the more of them there are in one place. Which is why when you feild a formation of them the entire army gets basically the blood talon rules. For every wound caused in close combat they immediately take another attack. So lots of dead things. And if the Ultra Smurfs could hold on their own against a splinter fleet I see zero reason any Sons of Sanguinus chapter could not do the same. I mean its not like ultra smurfs can wipe entire squads of gaunts in close combat like a furiouso can. As for deamons, as pointed out the BAs have banished Ka'Bhandha before, and can do it again. The codex even states the Grey Knights show up some times, other times the BAs handle it on their own. If the incursion is as big as it is being made out to be you better believe the Grey Knights will be out in large numbers, its their job to be. I think as long as Swallows does not end up writing the fluff for this battle we are good. I mean, since when do space marines of any chapter worship the Emperor as a god? Sorry, just read Black Tide two days ago, still upset by his repeated kicks to the balls of existing fluff, I'll stop now. *ahem* I'd imagine since this is "current" events, the Grey Knights will have their hands full with the 13th Black Crusade and the whole Abbadon grinding Cadia to dust shendig and Typhus establishing a daemon world in the Imperium etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'm sure Ordo Malleus can spare a squad or two of GK. Blood Angels deserve some assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabgoi Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I am not thinking their are going to show up in force, but it would seem odd if they did not send a squad or two as a sign of cooperation since they have worked closely in the past, at least according to our new codex. At least I cannot think of many of codex that involve the Grey Knights actually coming to a Chapter since they might be interested in sending people to deal with a demon incursion as they have battle the like before. Maybe I am reading too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 they hav only thefirst babdab war book out and are still waiting on the second.... IA10 has been out for a while now. I think as long as Swallows does not end up writing the fluff for this battle we are good. I mean, since when do space marines of any chapter worship the Emperor as a god? Sorry, just read Black Tide two days ago, still upset by his repeated kicks to the balls of existing fluff, I'll stop now. Many Chapters view the Emperor as a god. The Fire Angels for example. How could they not, 10 millennium of Imperial teachings would effect the chapters as new recruits are brought in. If you spend your entire life believing the Emperor is the GOD. The word heretic is used constantly by the authorities against anyone in trouble. How are you going to believe the Emperor was just a man even if a Space Marine tells you? The Marines have fallen to Chaos before, how can use trust anyone who doubts the Emperor's divinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 And if the Ultra Smurfs could hold on their own against a splinter fleet I see zero reason any Sons of Sanguinus chapter could not do the same. Its a shame that the Ultras didint manage to hold their own against a splinter fleet, nor did they manage to survive the attack of Behemoth by themselves. Quite simply they got lucky, and got someone else to do the dying for them... BA's will hav eadvantages against both enemies due to terrain, weather, lack of innocent sacrifices/spare biomass (respectively), seriously fortified positions, and being in the position of both defending, and being able to attack any weakpoints that appear from behind (other Imperial/friendly forces arriving). I'd be surprised if there arent at least some GK's inbound since its such a big daemonic incursion and thats kind of their job, but given the number of marines available, I think victory is acheivable - for a start, neither of these foes can manipulate time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 says who?nids have the amongst the most powerful phsycic ability in the universe, its possible they can figure it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Reaver Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 says who?nids have the amongst the most powerful phsycic ability in the universe, its possible they can figure it out... We have Mephiston, one of the most powerful psykers in the Imperium, leading a conclave of librarians from almost every single BA successor. I am quite confident that they will be able to go "toe to toe" with the Tyranid pskyers. Plus, in the codex on page 17, under The Hives of Hollonon section, Mephiston and a hanfuld of marines withstand a Tyranid assault by themselves and manage to hold out until reinforcements arrive. At Crimson Devil, not I have not read IA9. Could you tell me what it said about the Lamenters? Sun Reaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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