Redfinger Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Being rather new to 40k still I had some questions about the Grey Knights and their background and fluff. Are the a first founding chapter? What exactly is the "Inquisition" and how does that relate to Sisters of Battle and other Space Marine chapters? Lastly, are there Grey Knight successor chapters, I imagine if everyone who jumps on the Grey Knight band wagon all paint there stuff the same it is going to get rather old seeing all that silver..... Ashton Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 the grey knights are a speciaist founding, post herasy. specifically they are deamon hunters. they are the anti deamon wing of the inquisition, well part of it... and they are the most pure of all marines. not one has ever fallen to chaos. there is an inquisition forum so really go there for more info. and they aint metal, they are grey/blue/metal. and theres alot more to them than other marines... essientially hewhole army is 1st co. and i dont know how many there are.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dante jr. Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 maybe in the new codex they will address it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 In general, the Inquisition was a "secret service" organization, created after Horus Heresy. It's main purpose is to seek and purge any sources of daemonic corruption among the Imperium, any rebellions, separatist intentions, rogue psykers, xenos etc etc, and everything that may threaten the Imperium's unity and stability (better say, stagnation). The Inquisition is divided into three branches: Ordo Malleus (Daemonhunters), Ordo Hereticus (Witchhunters) and Ordo Xenos (Xenoshunters). The GK are a "special" Space Marine Chapter, that obeys Ordo Malleus, and are their armed force". Sisters of Battle are under Ordo Hereticus, but originally they are Ecclesiarchy's (Imperium's Church) armed force. Ordo Xenos doesn't have a solid armed force, so instead they second Space Marines from existing Chapters to fulfill special assignments. Back to GK. They were created specifically to fight Daemons, and are trained accordingly. No Grey Knight was ever corrupted, so they are Imperium's last line of defense against daemons. Where any Space Marine's mind can be destroyed by powerful daemons, can be possessed, the Grey Knights will fight until the end, at full strength. I'm not sure if the Sisters of Battle existed during the Great Crusade (are they Silent Sisterhood's successors?) and if they were then seconded to Ordo Hereticus, but GK were created only after the Heresy. As the Space Marine Legions, while being Imperium's greatest warriors, proved to be vulnerable to daemonic corruption, the Lords of Terra ordered the creation of special Space Marine force, immune to corruption and possession. Judging by Horus Heresy books, the GK were created using the geneseed of the surviving loyalist of a few traitor legions. They are no legion's successors, nor they have their own ones. Unlike other SM Chapters the GK number 3 000 or so warriors. I'm sure our fellow Inquisitors will provide more detailed info on their "pet" warriors :P :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 SoB's didnt exist until the Reign of Vandire and the Age of Apostasy. The Sisters of Silence were all blanks/pariahs, the SoB's were a single convent of warrior women from a single world that Vandire managed to con into being his bodyguards, until they executed him and became both guard against and right arm of the Ecclesiarchy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 SoB's didnt exist until the Reign of Vandire and the Age of Apostasy. The Sisters of Silence were all blanks/pariahs, the SoB's were a single convent of warrior women from a single world that Vandire managed to con into being his bodyguards, until they executed him and became both guard against and right arm of the Ecclesiarchy... Oh, right! They assumed their contemporary role after the Age of Apostasy. But how did they appear before it? I mean, The Emperor created Space Marines, Imperial Army/Guard are regular military, but who and why did initially create SoB? Just a local armed force? And what has happened to the silent Sisterhood? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 so there are no successor chapters of the Grey Knights, limiting the possibilities of custom color scheme's and DIY chapters? That is a bummer, because I think the new models would look awsome painted in an antique white w/ red accents. Ashton Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The Inquisition is divided into three branches: Ordo Malleus (Daemonhunters), Ordo Hereticus (Witchhunters) and Ordo Xenos (Xenoshunters). FYI there are more than three Ordos they are just the biggest and most important of the Ordos and you also get -][-s who are not members of any of the Ordos although they will generally have links due to who recruited them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 so there are no successor chapters of the Grey Knights, limiting the possibilities of custom color scheme's and DIY chapters? That is a bummer, because I think the new models would look awsome painted in an antique white w/ red accents. Just paint them any way you want, after all, in the old Codex there was a red-painted variant. Or use them as counts-as, and you'll have an excuse to paint/convert even more freely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inache Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 so there are no successor chapters of the Grey Knights, limiting the possibilities of custom color scheme's and DIY chapters? That is a bummer, because I think the new models would look awsome painted in an antique white w/ red accents. Ashton While there aren't successors, go for it. If the pictures are any indication, it looks like purifiers have white helmets, so an alternate color scheme would be fitting depending on the brotherhood. Do a deathwing style explanation, an inquisitor orders an exterminatus of a planet completely overrun by cultists, but that was the cultists' intention all along, and their mass sacrifice opens a daemonic rift, so a Grey Knight brotherhood goes in after the flamestorm to seal the rift, and due to the sacrifice of their brothers during the campaign adopt an ash white and blood red motif. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 SoB's didnt exist until the Reign of Vandire and the Age of Apostasy. The Sisters of Silence were all blanks/pariahs, the SoB's were a single convent of warrior women from a single world that Vandire managed to con into being his bodyguards, until they executed him and became both guard against and right arm of the Ecclesiarchy... Oh, right! They assumed their contemporary role after the Age of Apostasy. But how did they appear before it? I mean, The Emperor created Space Marines, Imperial Army/Guard are regular military, but who and why did initially create SoB? Just a local armed force? And what has happened to the silent Sisterhood? The original SoBs were IIRC a religious order who were slightly deviant from the Ecclesiarchy norms, just a normal little sub-sect of the religion. They were not 'officially' created by anyone like the E, primarchs or HLoT. A single convent on a single backwater world that Vandire managed to trick with a Rosarius and a Laspistol into being his personal servants. It was him who 'created' the SoB, in that he gave them the means and support to grow so big. Silent Sisterhood - there is no 'current' fluff for them in the 41st millenium, though it seems fairly possible that they do exist, simply not in a line combat role (so about as likely to appear in a story about war as a convent of Sisters Famulous, and a bin collector). I've seen the suggestion that they are still crewing Black Ships, which seems eminently reasonable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 @ Leonaides: thanks for the info! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2686974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Ordo Xenos doesn't have a solid armed force, so instead they second Space Marines from existing Chapters to fulfill special assignments. Isn't Deathwatch a solid, permanent force? Sure, members change, but the size remains stable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2687109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inache Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Ordo Xenos doesn't have a solid armed force, so instead they second Space Marines from existing Chapters to fulfill special assignments. Isn't Deathwatch a solid, permanent force? Sure, members change, but the size remains stable. It's permanent, but size has never been definitively stated. I would assume that they maintain a minimum force at all times, but they do rotate as deemed by the Watch Captains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2687129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Ordo Xenos doesn't have a solid armed force, so instead they second Space Marines from existing Chapters to fulfill special assignments. Isn't Deathwatch a solid, permanent force? Sure, members change, but the size remains stable. I mean that Deatwatch is not a force similar to GK or SoB. Deathwatch is not a separate chapter, they consist of the battle brothers of different chpters. Thus they are not regular force (perhaps "solid" was not the most appropriate word). The seconded marines return to their chapters once their assignment is done and are recruited again when needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224594-grey-knight-questions/#findComment-2687429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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