Space Marines in stasis

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I was thinking about the 'Lost in the Warp' cliche. It is basicly a means to remove a company of adeptus astartes (because that's the proper term ^_^ ) from one time period and put them in another, preferably soon enough to found a chapter.

 

What if they instead had a company or so of marines put in stasis, and for whatever reason they exited stasis*?

 

Now, I imagine this will typically be used for loyalist traitors, but this has a few other possibilities. One would be to have Raven Guard who didn't have tampered-with geneseed. Another would be to have Salamander's geneseed that wasn't affected by Nocturne's radiation, or even have Blood Angel geneseed that wasn't affected by Sanguinus's death.

 

I don't think this would be a bad idea, although it wouldn't really add anything to the chapter, unless written fairly well (IE, Raven Guard successor mentioned above has to suffer the jealousy of all the other 'tainted' Raven Guard, leading to interesting developments in the chapter's character). I don't think a chapter should be based on it, but I don't see it as hurting the chapter either.

 

Thoughts?

 

*Presumably, the marines in stasis would have not been found until the loyalist primarchs were all dead/missing/in stasis themselves, or they would have been used in one of the earlier Foundings.

[Lysimachus]

To be honest, I think if a Company of BA/RG showed up with unflawed gene seed, they'd be taken by the Apothecaries of their own Chapter/Legion and used to rebuild/fix them rather than start a whole new Chapter. I mean, think of the difference 100+ sets of totally clean progenoids could do for the BA! I'd imagine that as unflawed Marines looking upon their younger, genetically degraded kin, they'd be pretty eager to help too, for the honour and memory of their Legion.

 

Plus, it is still quite a cliche.

[soddinnutter]

Salamander's gene-seed works just fine. The 'glowing red eyes' thing is just a cosmetic change, helps them see in the dark and Vulkan looked like that so why they would want to change is beyond me. Also maybe the skin is more resistant to radiation damage than regular marine skin.

 

If they found unbroken Raven Guard gene-seed then those marines that carried it would spend the next hundred years inside the Deliverance Apothicarian whilst the doctors of the raven Guard use it to fix the messed up genetics of their own family and successors.

 

The death of Sanguinus is more like a communicable curse than a genetic defect. Black Rage would still be there. If the Marines in stasis were some of the really, really old ones from Terra then they would be free of the Red Thirst. But like the Raven Guard thing it would end up every where and people would have noticed.

 

Now if you could find some Ultramarines from before Matt Ward infected them with the Mary-Sue Virus that would an achievement. They would become likable and people could like them without being understandably resented for it.

[exetus]

Actually, each of the Legions were still created with the geneseed of their primarchs; the first marines just happened to come from Terra. As a result, Sangunius' psychic death scream would still echo through all of the geneseed of his sons, even those in stasis. I could see some of the others having lesser degredation, however. And maybe, even the Blood Angels are a little LESS affected, though still to some degree.

[slmellon]

I would have to agree that it may work for all but the BAs because none could withstand the effect that the death of their primarch had on them.

[CantonWC]

I was thinking about the 'Lost in the Warp' cliche. It is basicly a means to remove a company of adeptus astartes (because that's the proper term rolleyes.gif ) from one time period and put them in another, preferably soon enough to found a chapter.

 

What if they instead had a company or so of marines put in stasis, and for whatever reason they exited stasis*?

 

What would your reasoning be for these marines being put in stasis?

 

I had an idea for using Lost in the Warp, with a twist :P

 

A Dark Swords Company goes into the Warp to answer a call to defend a certain world. The Company never shows up and the world is lost. The Company is presumed lost in the Warp.

 

Centuries later, the Dark Swords are called again to fight on the same world in an eerie repeat of the first battle. Cue the Lost Company arriving right on schedule to swing the tide in the favor of the good guys ;)

 

Now if you could find some Ultramarines from before Matt Ward infected them with the Mary-Sue Virus that would an achievement. They would become likable and people could like them without being understandably resented for it

 

This is a fantastic idea. You deserve a medal ^_^

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

All of the above is true. Hmmmmm.

 

Although isn't the Salamander's unique condition due to the radiation from Nocturne? So if they had geneseed not exposed to that radiation as much, wouldn't it possibly lead to a 'normal' Salamander successor?

 

On Blood Angels - correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't being put in stasis put you outside of time? So when the psychic scream happened, they weren't there, and were therefore unaffected?

 

This is actually more of a general fluff question than basis for a chapter - it's a dumb excuse to build normal BA successors anyway, for reasons already mentioned - but is it plausible?

 

Another stasis speculation - say, an company of Ultramarines are found instead. What with their pre-heresy knowledge, would the fill in some history gaps for today's Ultramarines, or, lacking flawed geneseed, would they start a new chapter the next time a Founding occurs?

[Ecritter]

Although isn't the Salamander's unique condition due to the radiation from Nocturne? So if they had geneseed not exposed to that radiation as much, wouldn't it possibly lead to a 'normal' Salamander successor?

 

You're right, only their eyes would be red ... that part is from the geneseed.

 

On Blood Angels - correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't being put in stasis put you outside of time? So when the psychic scream happened, they weren't there, and were therefore unaffected?

 

Yes and no. There are no marines around now that heard the scream .. but their geneseed carries it. Could argue this one either way.

 

Another stasis speculation - say, an company of Ultramarines are found instead. What with their pre-heresy knowledge, would the fill in some history gaps for today's Ultramarines, or, lacking flawed geneseed, would they start a new chapter the next time a Founding occurs?

 

Only if they paint their armor pink instead of blue. Actually I think they'd be so much different from present day UMs that they'd have to start anew.

[exetus]

On Blood Angels - correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't being put in stasis put you outside of time? So when the psychic scream happened, they weren't there, and were therefore unaffected?

 

You could also argue that their geneseed is more pure as well as the fact that, when they became aspirants, they all took a small measure of Sanguinius' undiluted blood to effect their change into Space Marines. So, whenever the backlash DOES hit them, it might be even more powerful because of their closer bond to the primarch.

 

It's also evident that the Black Rage/Red Thirst was unlocked before Sanguinius' death in the Signus Cluster where Sanguinius was wounded by Ka'Bandha and passed out fromt eh psychic shock of losing so many to the Bloodthirster. The remaining Blood Angles then went beserk. From all evidence, the entire Legion was present except for those dealing with rear echelon duties on Baal or performing liaison duties elsewhere.

 

So, as the others asked, why would they even be in stasis?

[soddinnutter]

One reason they could be in stasis.

 

Their warp engines start making a funny noise. translate back to real space because you don't want to be lost in the warp with out propulsion. tech-heads take the back of the engine to see whats gone wrong. cogs, smoke and non-euclidean shaped bits of scrap metal everywhere. Your going to need a new one. take a look out of the window to see what planet is out there.

 

Nothing but the blackness of space and a really awesome and terrifying view.

 

Have you dropped into the interstellar void? No, it's worse. You are about 6 and a half thousand light years above the galactic disc. with no FTL ability. You are a long, long, long way from the nearest Imperial world. You have limited resources and nothing but time. Cannibalize things to make other things and commit all sorts of minor tech-heresy. You now have enough stasis coffins to put the entire population of the ship to sleep with minimal skeletal crew to take it in turns keeping things going.

 

But it's not like your going to encounter anything, ANYTHING, this far out in the inky black.

 

Point ship towards Ball/Ultramar/Fenris/Terra/Nocturne/...etc and just carry on gradually accelerating to about 90% the speed of light. You'll get there eventually. and with those stasis coffins the next 9,000+ Terran Standard Years will just fly by.

[Darkchild130]

In answer to the comments about discovering 'pure' RG geneseed and using it to repair the Chapter, there is already an entire chapter with pure RG geneseed.

 

they're called Raptors.

 

Darkchild