Loganwing vs. Land Raiders

[Dahli Llama]

I played a 2200 point RTT a few weeks ago, and while I did alright, I did notice a flaw in my list. In that list, the only reliable way I had to take out Land Raiders was a couple of Lone Wolves with Chain Fists, a few Power Fists, a few combi-meltas and a mounted Wolf Lord with Thunder Hammer. It also happened that 2 of the players there were running triple Land Raider lists.

 

Now I'm trying to work out a list to run for 'Ard Boys. I want to get a framework built at least, so I can start buying up any pieces that I may need. My army will have a core of Wolf Guard units with a Cyclone Missile Launcher Terminator. I also have a bunch of Missile Launcher Long Fangs. With a bunch of missiles, I'm not too worried about light armor. How do I tackle the Raiders, though?

 

I plan on running a Wolf Scout squad with a meltagun and a Wolf Guard with Combi-Melta, but what else?

 

The Logan-bomb (Logan, Arjac, Rune Priest, 4 MultiMelta Long Fangs with Squad Leader in a Drop Pod) is one option, but it seems a bit like a one trick pony. Land Speeders are another option, but I don't own any, plus I was going to use at least 1 if not 2 Fast Attack slots for Thunderwolves. Lone Wolves are a possibility, but they are a bit slow. I'm also thinking up putting chain fists on the CML Terminators, but if the LR is that close to my lines, then it's a lost cause already.

 

Any thoughts?

[Ragnars Claw]

Tank hunting missiles or failing that lots of melta guns.

[Dahli Llama]

Tank Hunters will help, but that this is limited.

 

As for melta guns, where do you get them in a Wolf Guard army? I'm sure I could take Combi-Melta on everything, but that seems a bit ridiculous.

[Ragnars Claw]

Ah, my Logan army isn't pure wolf guard to make it more tactically flexible.

 

If i was going pure wolf guard then i would definately be making a big investment in combi meltas though.

 

I presume you have 2 cyclones in the squad with logan which gives you 4 S9 shots a turn at the land raider?

[Dahli Llama]

Yeah Logan will be joining that squad, unless I decide to do the Relentless- Drop Pod thing.

[Heimdall Skullcrusher]

If you want to stick with the all wolf guard and dont want to go crazy with the combi-meltas you might want to consider throwing a few melta bombs in. They are pretty cheap and you can spread them out. The downside of course is you have to get up close and personal.

[Emperors Immortals]

From having faced Sw armies with my mech BA, i can say how hard 2 wolf scout packs in mid field cover makes the game.Also a dread with MM and ML drop podded in and let loose is devastating.Ive even had a squad of long fangs with melta, 2 rockets and some las drop down and devastate my back line.

 

As an aside, and since im new to 5th SW i dont feel to stupid asking this, but can SW put termies in a drop pod?

[Provocation]

As an aside, and since im new to 5th SW i dont feel to stupid asking this, but can SW put termies in a drop pod?

 

Yes

[Emperors Immortals]

As an aside, and since im new to 5th SW i dont feel to stupid asking this, but can SW put termies in a drop pod?

 

Yes

;) I thought someone woudl have pulled this on me before now then.Im now itching to give it a go!

[Tsavong Lah]

You could try a five-man squad of Long Fangs with Lascannons and Logan Grimnar for some mobile heavy weapons fun... :ermm:

[Ragnars Claw]

If you're going that route I would definitely go the multi melta/relentless way in preference to lascannons.

 

make sure you give the pack leader a fist as well so the unit is tasty in combat as well as at shooting.

 

Oh and a pod obviously.... ^_^

[LPetersson]

When I play my Logan's Heroes list, I try to give each squad a chainfist and a combi-melta.

 

I also like taking Arjac in big points games. That many S10 attacks is universally disliked by the receivers...

[koran]

EVERY squad of wolf guard should have two combi-melta's in in my opinion. Compared to the other weapon options, and in the current transport heavy game environment this is essential.

[nurglez]

I run pureish logan wing (only termies as troops), and I have 2 combi melta's in each of my 5 man squads generally. I rarely go up against landraiders though, but do fight a few leman russ and sometimes have no choice but to attack them from the front (drop podding in and my opponent protecting his sides). sometimes the combi melta's are really great, other times not so. I also run a power fist in each squad and have started to take Arjac (because hes so damn awesome).

 

Arjac is a big threat, 5 str 10 attacks on the charge, a 6 inch str 10 ap1 shot. hes great.

 

I generally play at 1500 or 2000 points though, and only one of my opponents plays marines (chaos) and doesn't use a landraider at all...

[Grimfoe]

You don't have to group all of your termies and lf together in one pod to do the Logan Bomb. You can put Logan with the LF (5 plus a leader and a WG) and put your Rune Priest with the Termies. When they deploy have the pods land next to each other and disembark so that the Rune Priest is within 2" of both squads. After you shoot a bunch on the first turn, you can move Logan away, with or without the other Termies and leave the Rune Priest back with the Long Fangs, if you want. As long as he doesn't move to join the LF, he can become part of the squad without messing up their firing in the second turn.

 

That should result in 3 melta shots on two separate land raiders on the first turn. If you hit each twice, your average penetration score (assuming within 12" for the multi and 6" for the combi) should be 15. You'll pen them 1-2 times, each. Add to that Arjac's str 10 shot, if needed and a possible dread dropping at the same time. If you use a "one trick pony" like the Logan Bomb, I think you need to saturate the area with some pretty targets to try and minimize the damage you take on your opponents next shooting phase.

 

That should give you quite a bit of bang for your buck. Unless your opponent is saavy enough to spread his landraiders out.....