CoyoteGospel Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Possibly a dumb question, but... From the codex: "A Terminator-armoured Interrogater-Chaplain may replace his storm bolter with a combi-flamer, combi-plasma gun, or combi-meltagun for +5 points" Logically I would assume that it was a StormBolter combi weapon as terminators never carry normal bolters. However, the description of the combi-weapon in the codex is that it is merely a bolter + another weapon, not a stormbolter. For modeling purposes, I'll still probably base it off a storm bolter as a regular combi-bolter in a terminator's hand would look rather small, but for gaming purposes, I'm assuming that the bolter portion would have to function as a standard Rapid Fire bolter, not an Assault 2 storm bolter, yes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 it is indeed a standard bolt gun with another weapon attached. the best choices are usually either flamers or melta guns. a chaplain is bs5 so it gives you a 1 shot melta gun that needs 2s to hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2688577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Moridius Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Termi Armour gives him relentless doesnt it, so you can think of it as 75% of a stormbolter. And if you are looking for a premade one, the librarian in termi armour comes with a combi plasma that looks like a stormbolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2689700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incarnus Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Termi Armour gives him relentless doesnt it, so you can think of it as 75% of a stormbolter. And if you are looking for a premade one, the librarian in termi armour comes with a combi plasma that looks like a stormbolter. In C:DA our TDA doesn't specifically give Relentless like it does in C:SM. It just says "Due to the powerful exoskeleton and power sources built into their armour, models in Terminator armour are capable of moving and firing with heavy weapons and may assault after firing rapid fire and heavy weapons." (p.53) I'm sure this seems like splitting hairs, but it doesn't say anything about moving and firing rapid fire weapons at their full capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2689915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Moridius Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 You're right incarnus, I've never actually used a termi with a combi bolter so never came across it. I guess I have to downgrade my statement to it being 50% of a stormbolter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2690092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incarnus Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Indeed, I don't think it really comes up that much. Probably just a relic of our 4th Edition codex. I'm rather surprised they missed it in the last FAQ, as it seems like something that should be brought in line with C:SM equipment. Obviously it's not a huge deal and shouldn't effect balance to any significant extent, but it does cause this cross-codex confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2690186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_WarM Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I know that what is in our codex and what is in C: SM is different but it rules the same. Normal squads that don't move can fire heavy weapons and rapid fire (2 shots at 12" or 1 shot at 24"). Terminators are relentless and are allowed to fire heavy weapons when moving. Combi weapons can be fired as a bolter as if the model did not move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2690805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incarnus Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I know that what is in our codex and what is in C: SM is different but it rules the same. Normal squads that don't move can fire heavy weapons and rapid fire (2 shots at 12" or 1 shot at 24"). Terminators are relentless and are allowed to fire heavy weapons when moving. Combi weapons can be fired as a bolter as if the model did not move. I'm not convinced of this. The new FAQ says nothing of the sort. The old FAQ had something along these lines, but it was worded more to the effect of, "If this is OK with all your friends, you can use the equipment from C:SM," and was pretty ambiguous. Until I see a C:DA FAQ that says "Terminators are Relentless," I don't think they are. They're just almost-relentless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2700711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm not seeing the difference, just less specific wording. It doesn't specifically say "fire at full capacity" however it doesn't specifically say they can't either. What it does say is that they can assault after firing rapid fire weapons. So by the rules we must assume they can move then rapid fire like anyone else. Then, because of their TDA, they can assault following that. Or maybe I'm not getting it... and I'm going to play them as relentless anyway (though as said, it probably will never come up). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2701114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 The problem is if the rule doesn't state relentless or say that you can, you can't move and fire the bolter part to full range. It is a problem with the Chaos terminators, I don't know if DA are the same way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2701120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think I get it now... was looking at it from the wrong angle. So the downside of not having the specific wording is that if they move they can ONLY rapid fire (if they are within 12" range) and not shoot at all at the 12-24 range per rapid fire rules. Is that right? Wait... but isn't Incarnus saying that they cannot move and rapid fire also? My point was just by normal rapid fire rules they can move and fire at fully capacity - if by full capacity he means 2 shots and is not talking about full range (in which case I would not have used the word "capacity") Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2701203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think I get it now... was looking at it from the wrong angle. So the downside of not having the specific wording is that if they move they can ONLY rapid fire (if they are within 12" range) and not at all at the 12-24 range per rapid fire rules. Is that right? Yep. If it doesn't say relentless or give wording with that ability, if a DA terminator moves they can only fire rapid fire weapons up to 12 inches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2701207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Never mind that the rule "relentless" didn't exist when the Dark Angel Codex was written. Chaos Space Marines have the same problem. Hmm. Even more evidence that Dark Angels are fallen. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224762-interrogater-chaplain-combi-weapon/#findComment-2701438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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