XKhalilX Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 During the 37th millenium, the High Lords became increasingly concerned that the forces of Chaos were rallying for another Black Crusade under the treacherous Abbadon. The Ork Waaaghs were ever increasing, the Eldar and their dark fallen cousins were always in the shadows waiting for a chance to strike. The Emperor had spoken; new astartes must rise to meet the challenge. So it would be that the sons of the venerable ancient Ereas Idaeon would be born.Ereas Idaeon, hero of the Altruia Sector Wars five thousand years before, was the first Chapter Master of the engimatic chapter, the Children of Eternity. Descended from Primarch Ferrus Manus through the sons of Medusa, the Children were zealots for the Machine God, loyal to the Omnissiah and their brethren in the Ad Mech above all. They protected the Altruia Sector\\\'s forgeworlds, and notably the guardians of qalb ar-Ribat, an ancient data mainframe created before even the Horus Heresy itself. This machine was regarded as a Holy Relic to the chapter, and guard with utmost secrecy, only the Ad Mech and astartes under the Pax Ferrus Eternus knew the true value of the frigid tundra world of Marifah, the Children\\\'s homeworld.The Children of Eternity travelled the Eastern and Northern fringes of the galaxy, in a quest to obtain all knowledge laid down by the All Machine, the Omnissiah itself. Forgeworlds are cathedrals to worship and contemplate Omnissiac perfection, STC templates are the very words of all that is holy. As an unofficial militant chamber of the Ad Mech, the Children gave their oath of allegiance to defending the realm of the Omnissiah made flesh, the Holy Emperor of Terra. They pledged to die for the All Machine\\\'s one and only perfected creation: Humanity itself. Astartes are the biological evolution of this perfect design.During the 37th millenium, several companies of the chapter were sent to the northeastern fringe territory, in a region known as the Gravus system. Here, several worlds that were recolonized by the Imperium during the Age of Horus lay vulnerable to attacks being on the very boundaries of the Astrominomican\\\'s reach. Reports reached Imperial space that contact with the system was lost approximately 2 years prior. The Children were tasked with exploring the system, having the world of _____ a recruiting world for the chapter, as well as the homeworld of their first Chapter Master, Ereas Idaeon being the epicenter of the system. If foul play was involved, the Children were determined to keep Imperial citizens, as well as a valuable recruiting world in their hands. The Sons of Idaen were created from the geneseed of the Children of Eternity, astartes under the bloodlines of Primarch Ferrus Manus, the guardian of mankind, the steelhand of salvation _____ is located in the Gravus system in the Northeastern fringe. Barely within reach of the Astronomican, ____ is a world where only the strongest survive. It is a world known in the legens of the Children of Eternity for it birthed Ereas Idaeon, the first Chapter Master of the children and whose namesake the Sons of Idaeon are derived from. For the Children of Eternity, ____ was more then a recruiting world, it was a holy world where the legendary Ancient Idaeon was born. Now the world of the Sons of Idaeon, the world boasts a strong technological culture. The chapter utilizes hit and run tactics to obliterate enemy ranks. They make extensive use of assault squads who are usually dropped in through modified thunderhawks. Tactical squads are deployed via rhinos and landraiders. The chapter owns very few terminator suits, favoring a battle philosophy of quick strike attacks to surprise and outmaneuver their opponents. The Chapter follows the Codex Astartes with slight variations. The Sons have adopted a variant of traditional role of the Iron Father into their ranks. The Iron Father is a combination of Chaplain-techmarine. The Iron Father\\\'s role is primarily of the Chaplain position, holding an intermediate knowledge of technological workings. They do not bare a tech harness or many of the tools a traditional techmarine carries, this designation is reserved for the Iron Sages, pure adepts of Martian arts and astartes physiology. The Iron Father\\\'s role is a preacher and spiritual healer who looks over his men and their bodies as guardians of the chapter. They help administer the spiritual rites to the brothers, and train them in basic understandings of machine tech. Those spiritually inclined to communicate with machine over man are sent to the chapter Iron Sages to undergo the full training of a techmarine. It is the job of an Iron Father to test the marines to the brink of physical and mental exhaustion. It is his duty to break the weak, and temper the strong. The Iron Father\\\'s oversee the trials set forth by the chapter, and guide the initiates with the help of the Iron Sages in teaching each initiate bionic modification for their final trials to be inducted as a full astartes. Upon completion of the trials, the initiate\\\'s battered and damaged physical arms are surgically removed and the bionic arms are modified and attached under the watchful eye and beneditions of the Apothecarium, Iron fathers and Iron Sages. \\\"We are our own salvation...\\\"current headqarters (wont be in final IA, just for my personal use): Absirae, current Chapter Mastername: Sons of Idaeonhomeworld: cant think of a world name, but it would be a harsh civilized world, warring citystates think Pellaponesian Wars of Greece. hardly any sunlight, basically an eternal twilight, lots of ash plains, where crossing the great ashen plains where raiders and robbers and murderers are. hive mentality without the hives.founding: M35, through the Children of Eternity (Ferrus Manus geneseed)history: the Sons are a stoic, hardened chapter. tempered by physical trials of worship and war, they preserve the stories of the ancient Chapter Master of the Children of Eternity, Ereas Idaeon, he was the first astartes of their world, and their world was a recruting world for the Children of Eternity before being handed over as a new chapter home world.beliefs:- Emperor is the Omnissiahic creation of the perfect man and the divine prescence of the Machine God in one, thus he is absolutely perfect without question- take the Children of Eternity\\\'s first Chapter Master, Ereas Idaeon as their spiritual leader since they\\\'re homeworld was the world of his birth. Idaeon contained a spark Ferrus Manus alongside his geneseed, he was \\\"more then an astarters, less then a primarch.\\\"- believe Ferrus Manus will return: his body was slain at the Isstvan dropsite massacre, but his spirit remained trapped within the warp to take the body of the Awaited One.- the Awaited One will be appointed by the Emperor of Mankind to be his true Warmaster at the end times, known to the chapter as the \\\"Final War\\\"- During the Final War, only those most fit will be called true astartes. In the Final times, Many loyal astartes will fall to chaos until nearly all astartes will be under the chaos gods and only a single legion of loyalists will remain. This legion will be comprised of marines from all remaining chapters.-man are a dying race. to conquer the stars seems like a fading reality. Now, man must conquer his own inner and outer weaknesses if they are to survive. only the fit will live to see the Final War, and only the best will be the mighty astartes legion of the awaited one. The reality for them is that man is weak and will turn against themselves and the Emperor as they did once before, only this time on astronomical numbers, if the forces of chaos number in the trillions, those loyal to the Emperor, both man and astartes alike will total only several million. Yet the Sons are certain mankind will rise to the occasion in the end and defeat chaos for these will be \\\"the cream of the crop\\\" on the Emperor\\\'s side.-the high lords and inquisition are nothing but weak minded, paranoid organizations that the sons believe will no doubt turn and side with chaos in the Final War. The Imperial Creed is fodder and a disguise of Chaos influence to them. They distance themselves from both as much as possible. They trust in the admech and work closely in protecting sacred forgeworlds or refinery worlds for they are the Omnissiah\\\'s \\\"lifeforce and blood.\\\" a forgeworld to them is like a world cathedral, every inch of such a place is sacred.\\\"flesh is weak\\\" taken both physically and metaphoricaly:- A scout is put through some of the most physically and mentally demanding trials of any chapter. During their time in the scout squads they will learn to fashion bionic arms under the tutelage of an Iron Father. These will symbolize their faith in the Omnissiah, the Emperor, their primarch and their spiritual leader Ereas Idaeon. Idaeon was recorded to have given his arms as a scout as a marine of the Sons of Medusa, and as the first chapter master of the Children of Eternity, his example must be followed to the core.- once a scout is ready to be inducted as a full battle brother, he will go through further tests. His body will be beaten into exertion, he will have tests that will ultimately mutilate his arms to a high degree (keeping them over a fire or embracing a seething hot iron \\\"totem\\\") by this time his arms will be \\\"done\\\" and both his arms will be ritually severed and replaced with the bionic arms he fashioned under the guidance of the Iron Fathers. After the adjoining of their bionic arms to the body, they are now \\\"one with the machine\\\" and forever a son of Idaeon.-unlike the children of eternity who see dreadnoughts as an abomination, the sons of idaeon see dreadnoughts as an encasement of honor and service to mankind. -because of their reverence for Ereas Idaeon, the Sons of Idaeon and the Children of Eternity have a close relationship.organization: codex adherent,Chapter MasterLibrarianApothecaryIron Father (Chaplain and techmarine), they are influenced by the original doctrines of the Iron Hands in this matter, unlike the COE who have Chaplains and techmarines as separate persons. perhaps Iron Fathers lead like sergeants or accompany a squad with a sergeant?that is a basic outline so far. suggestions and comments and criticism i openly encourage and welcome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 seriously nothing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2691537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualhammers Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 You posted it 7 hours ago. This forum is full of working-age people who visit the site in their leisure; this is a nice way of saying people here are slow so please be patient. I will read it over and post some comments later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2691575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualhammers Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Overall I don't see any issues in the religious idea, but it seems like a direct copy of their Parent Chapter except for this subcult which seems to be the exact reverse of their Parent Chapter. You will need to explain how such a serious reversal occurred. What is a problem to me is their seeming hatred of the Inquisition and the High Lords of Terra. The High Lords found chapters - why would they found a chapter that becomes hostile to them or why would they allow a founded chapter that became hostile (if this cult developed after their founding) to continue to exist? Why do they think that Dreadnoughts are good and honorable? I mean you pointed it out as being different from their founding chapter so there has to be a reason why - what caused them to change their view? Return to the codex or something to do with their religion? All in all I think it seems too much like just an inversion of the Children of Eternity. Unless you whip out some amazing story to sell the idea I'm currently a bit underwhelmed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2691590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 Overall I don't see any issues in the religious idea, but it seems like a direct copy of their Parent Chapter except for this subcult which seems to be the exact reverse of their Parent Chapter. You will need to explain how such a serious reversal occurred. What is a problem to me is their seeming hatred of the Inquisition and the High Lords of Terra. The High Lords found chapters - why would they found a chapter that becomes hostile to them or why would they allow a founded chapter that became hostile (if this cult developed after their founding) to continue to exist? Why do they think that Dreadnoughts are good and honorable? I mean you pointed it out as being different from their founding chapter so there has to be a reason why - what caused them to change their view? Return to the codex or something to do with their religion? All in all I think it seems too much like just an inversion of the Children of Eternity. Unless you whip out some amazing story to sell the idea I'm currently a bit underwhelmed. sorry dualhammer, ive just been impatient is all. i work during day as a teacher and offtime i can browse more often the others. well the hatred isn't something out in the open per say, there is tension in the air, but the chapter keeps their hatred for such organizations within. on the outside it would seem no worse then the space wolves and the two organizations. yes the reversal as you said is intentional, and the reason is something i am trying to brainstorm. obviously the iron hands themselves mighty play a larger influence in the chapter's building years, or perhaps the chapter got so decimated at one point that the great heroes, to carry on HAD to be placed in dreads and this immense loss created the chapters feeling of weakness. so it kept core elements of the children's belief, while evolving into a more jaded, stern outlook that became a very radical departure from their parent chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2691900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualhammers Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 No worries, we all have our crappy days. I would say the reasons for this loathing of the Inquisition and Terra needs fleshing out. There is a big difference between a founding legion (Space Wolves) and a younger chapter in terms of the attitudes they can have and what they can get away with. You will also need to explain where this hatred comes from. There is an idea there in terms of them becoming more jaded by personal tragedy, but I don't see how becoming more jaded in most areas creates a positive view in the area of dreadnoughts. If the reasoning is simply that their great heroes got put into them and so they just change their mind because they don't want to speak ill of their heroes then I think it needs to be really investigated... in my mind on the surface that speaks of a failure of their belief system or rather a weakness in its ability to stand firm. Keep going - I want to see where this ends up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2692079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 No worries, we all have our crappy days. I would say the reasons for this loathing of the Inquisition and Terra needs fleshing out. There is a big difference between a founding legion (Space Wolves) and a younger chapter in terms of the attitudes they can have and what they can get away with. You will also need to explain where this hatred comes from. There is an idea there in terms of them becoming more jaded by personal tragedy, but I don't see how becoming more jaded in most areas creates a positive view in the area of dreadnoughts. If the reasoning is simply that their great heroes got put into them and so they just change their mind because they don't want to speak ill of their heroes then I think it needs to be really investigated... in my mind on the surface that speaks of a failure of their belief system or rather a weakness in its ability to stand firm. Keep going - I want to see where this ends up. yes good point, the wolves get the respect lol. the dreads meaning the only way to really save the leadership of the time was to encase them in dreadnoughts. they saw the preservation in a dreadnought in a new light, it rejuvenated their drive, and the personal tragedy became a foundational turning point. from the tragedy they rebuilt, look towards the beliefs of the iron hands and the children of eternity and form a new ideaology from it, basically going back to the roots, stripping away the mysticism of the children while still believing in basics like the Omnissiah/All Machine but not from the extreme belief as the COE. perhaps the tragedy saw the planet population get decimated by chaos forces and alot fo the marines were killed, including the chapter headquarters. this tragedy hardens them and changes their outlook, and saw the weakness in their past actions as not enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2692090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 i was thinking that there hatred towards the inquisition could stem from the same battle that they took such heavy losses that ultimately changed their outlook. i was thinking the inquisition took off and left them high and dry to fend for themselves and they were getting battered and called for assistance and the ones who were the only astartes around in the sector and heard and responded to their distress call was the Iron Hands. Here they fight side by side and see the tactics of the IH and their use of dreads and bionics. it is this they feel a need of a "return" to the beliefs of the first sons of Ferrus Manus, while still carrying some of the beliefs of the Children of Eternity, notably in that of the Omnissiah. Perhaps the Sons of Idaen all have a collective vision of Ferrus Manus or of Ereas Idaeon. after this battle, which i was thinking would be in a sector housing several forgeworlds, they send off their techmarines and chaplains to mars in waves to be trained up as proper Iron Fathers. They inter their dead leaders into dreadnoughts to save the chapters decimated leadership. They see it as a sign and that it was part of the great plan orchestrated by the All Machine (Omnissiah). so the betrayal by the inquisition would start the hatred and animosity towards them, that they are cowards that cant be trusted. there simply a bunch of "wyches." As for the High Lords, the Sons don't like the High Lords simply that they don't believe they represent the Emperor with their Imperial Creed and their lavish living on Terra. they consider the High Lords sellouts to "the cause" of the Emperor. what do u guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2694582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 i was thinking that there hatred towards the inquisition could stem from the same battle that they took such heavy losses that ultimately changed their outlook. i was thinking the inquisition took off and left them high and dry to fend for themselves and they were getting battered and called for assistance and the ones who were the only astartes around in the sector and heard and responded to their distress call was the Iron Hands. Here they fight side by side and see the tactics of the IH and their use of dreads and bionics. it is this they feel a need of a "return" to the beliefs of the first sons of Ferrus Manus, while still carrying some of the beliefs of the Children of Eternity, notably in that of the Omnissiah. Perhaps the Sons of Idaen all have a collective vision of Ferrus Manus or of Ereas Idaeon. after this battle, which i was thinking would be in a sector housing several forgeworlds, they send off their techmarines and chaplains to mars in waves to be trained up as proper Iron Fathers. They inter their dead leaders into dreadnoughts to save the chapters decimated leadership. They see it as a sign and that it was part of the great plan orchestrated by the All Machine (Omnissiah). so the betrayal by the inquisition would start the hatred and animosity towards them, that they are cowards that cant be trusted. there simply a bunch of "wyches." As for the High Lords, the Sons don't like the High Lords simply that they don't believe they represent the Emperor with their Imperial Creed and their lavish living on Terra. they consider the High Lords sellouts to "the cause" of the Emperor. what do u guys think? Eh, the Forgeworlds are rare, if you want to use goblin math use "few". The Dread chasis is a treasure. Where did you get them? - the SoI haven't been using them before, so I don't see any reason for having them in storage yard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2695192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 i was thinking that there hatred towards the inquisition could stem from the same battle that they took such heavy losses that ultimately changed their outlook. i was thinking the inquisition took off and left them high and dry to fend for themselves and they were getting battered and called for assistance and the ones who were the only astartes around in the sector and heard and responded to their distress call was the Iron Hands. Here they fight side by side and see the tactics of the IH and their use of dreads and bionics. it is this they feel a need of a "return" to the beliefs of the first sons of Ferrus Manus, while still carrying some of the beliefs of the Children of Eternity, notably in that of the Omnissiah. Perhaps the Sons of Idaen all have a collective vision of Ferrus Manus or of Ereas Idaeon. after this battle, which i was thinking would be in a sector housing several forgeworlds, they send off their techmarines and chaplains to mars in waves to be trained up as proper Iron Fathers. They inter their dead leaders into dreadnoughts to save the chapters decimated leadership. They see it as a sign and that it was part of the great plan orchestrated by the All Machine (Omnissiah). so the betrayal by the inquisition would start the hatred and animosity towards them, that they are cowards that cant be trusted. there simply a bunch of "wyches." As for the High Lords, the Sons don't like the High Lords simply that they don't believe they represent the Emperor with their Imperial Creed and their lavish living on Terra. they consider the High Lords sellouts to "the cause" of the Emperor. what do u guys think? Eh, the Forgeworlds are rare, if you want to use goblin math use "few". The Dread chasis is a treasure. Where did you get them? - the SoI haven't been using them before, so I don't see any reason for having them in storage yard. ok few it is. good point Nightrawen, im thinking maybe they could only save one of the leaders of the chapter and because of able to being able to inter him into a dread, obviously theyd still have one person of influence alive and this marine would play a significant role in the shaping of the chapter from that point onward. doesnt necesarily mean that dreadnought is still alive, but that his interment in a dread allowed him to hold influence over the chapter for many more years until he died in war. instead of living 300 years, he was around for 600-800(dont know life exp. of a dreadnought). thus they see the importance of preservation of the emperor's finest much different from their parent chapter. it was out of survival to take the route and the route forever changed their outlook. im not saying marines are the nice and friendly types but i imagined the SOI going from a more "positive" outlook chapter with tough traditions like say the ultras or salamanders to becoming hard, aggressive and stoic like the iron hands or white scars. im lookin to have a happy medium as it were between the insanely zealous Omnissiah worshipping mystics of the Children of Eternity to bitter, cold and harsh type Iron hands. Like the outlook of monks in monastaries in the middle ages. they are devoted to the Omnissiah, but have taken a very cold outlook in comparison to the COE who are more like machine worshipping fanatic salamanders protecting humanity after a near crushing defeat at ____, the SOI reorganize and confine themselves to near solitude in their system of space for over a century, redefining their beliefs, their trials, their views, etc. Basically a self imposed pentitnent crusade. On the eve of the 100 years in seclusion, the SOI emerge, renewed and retempered. it is this, that they have truly become reborn as Sons of Idaeon. Perhaps this is where some of the extreme rituals (like severing both arms to replace w. bionics) stems from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2695436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 began doing the IA format. for some reason the headers arent taking any colors at all? C & C on ideas so far appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224949-sons-of-idaeon/#findComment-2698709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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