Texpef Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Might be wrong here but i am lead to believe that the Emperor is actually getting better?... Eventually.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 The Emperor's sole goal has always been to ensure mankind's continued survival. It was the purpose of the thousands of shamans and it is the purpose he inherited thousands of times over when the shamans were reborn in his form. Everything he's ever done has been in order to figure out how best to lead humanity. Being kings, emperors, presidents, tyrants, warlords, gods, philosophers, etc were all just experiments to find the most stable way of building a huge empire that wouldn't tear itself apart. Warp predators feeding on the souls of mankind have been The Emperor's foes since before he existed, and are, in fact, the very reason he was created. Leading humanity to be a secular empire was an attempt to enlighten mankind beyond the belief in gods that would give the Chaos Gods more than a minimal flicker of power. Enlightened enough, the humans (like the Old Ones before them) should have eventually even come to understand the Warp and its denizens for what they are - just things based on a poorly understood branch of science. In doing so they would've removed the power of belief they gain by things believing they're gods, and effectively render their power insignificant. The human Webway project was an effort to provide humanity with a safer network of travel that manages to bypass the dangers of the Warp entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I'm surprised the eldar didn't try to help the humans at some point, if getting to cut off chaos forever was the end game, something should have been accorded between the 2 species. Too bad the imperium is Soo xenophobic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I'm surprised the eldar didn't try to help the humans at some point, if getting to cut off chaos forever was the end game, something should have been accorded between the 2 species. Too bad the imperium is Soo xenophobic The eldar would rather suffer for thousands of years than lend their high and mighty "from the heavens" help to us primitive and savage "mon'kai" (sp?). Their hubris is as much to blame as the Imperium's xenophobia. A xenophobia brought about by the deaths of millions who put their trust in aliens who would rather see us dead or enslaved. On the Emperor, once again TEC has it right. I don't think there are any conspiracy theories with the big E when we look at his origins. He's just trying to bring out mankind's full potential and do what's best for man as a whole. Had he completed his work, mankind would be skyrocketing into a new golden age, safe from the vicious warp and its denizens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Actually, The Emperor and the Eldar were friends (perhaps too strong a word? They certainly seem to have looked out for each other...). It was with the Eldar's help that the Human Webway was being constructed. Indeed, Eldrad Ulthran foresaw Horus' treachery and tried to warn The Emperor of it. Unfortunately, he passed the message to Fulgrim instead of to The Emperor directly, so the warning never made it to The Emperor's ears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Ok, I must have missed that in the giant pool of fluff :\ Where can I read about it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Hmm... I'm pretty sure Eldrad's warning is actually in Fulgrim. The rest I'll have to go track down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Oh, now I remember that scene. I'll have to reread it, but I remember liking Craftworld Ulthwé and the eldar in general a bit more after reading it. I've always had it in my mind that a vast majority of the eldar look down upon humans and would rather see us dead than help us. Interesting how both races have pigeonholed themselves into hating the other, when really they're mostly fighting the same enemies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 It's one of those things you THINK is true, but it's really just portrayed in a really skewed way most of the time. Where the Imperium is concerned, the higher up the chains of authority you go, the more clearly thinking individuals you'll find. So, while the average Imperial citizen will have all manner of xenophobic hatred drilled into their brains, you'll also find some Inquisitors, Rogue Traders, and Space Marine commanders who understand that the Eldar aren't actually a blood thirsty race hell-bent on humanity's destruction, and some of them understand that they can be reasoned with and can make for useful allies when the going gets tough. And while the Eldar look down on pretty much EVERYONE, they don't really seem to hate humans. They just see them as usually being a threat to the very survival of their species, or they view them as a tool to be manipulated to serve their own ends. While the Eldar might not hesitate to sacrifice millions and millions of human lives to save a few thousand Eldar, the Eldar won't needlessly wage war against humans who've done nothing against them. There are more than a few Eldar who see the possibility to gain powerful and plentiful allies by working together with the less hostile of the powerful Imperial agents (Inquisitors, Rogue Traders, Marines, etc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2720997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 The lack of understanding on the part of much of the Imperium regarding the distinction between the Dark Eldar and the Craftworld Eldar and Harlequins does not help relations between the two races. I think a degree of the view of Eldar as perfidious comes from people having encountered the CW Eldar and not having been attacked, and then running into the superficially similar (from a human point of view) Dark Eldar and well... y'know. The CW Eldar definitely see humanity as usurpers and utterly disposable potential pawns. They wouldn't shed a tear if humanity destroyed itself utterly. BUT, and this is a big BUT, they also recognise that humanity is a less implacably hostile faction than Chaos, the Necrons, or the Orks or the Nids etc. They are quite prepared to work with humanity and aid them, but always with the goal of helping their own species and where possible sacrificing humans rather than Eldar. The Harlequins are probably the ones with whom some humans have been most genuinely able to work together with and share a mutual understanding. Like the Inquisition, they are the faction of their species devoted above all to fighting the influence of Chaos and that shared enemy makes for understanding. As for whether the Eldar would "needlessly wage war on people who've done nothing to them", they'll certainly wage war on people who might have offended them in some way that they didn't even realise they'd done - eg humans landing on Eldar Maiden worlds and setting up shop, humans entering areas the Eldar consider to be their own; or else attack some in order to bring about a particular future that their farseers have seen. Many Eldar attacks will appear unprovoked in the eyes of the humans on the receiving end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225468-the-emperors-motives/page/2/#findComment-2721025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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