Brother Michaels Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 hey everyone i was looking through renegade chapters and i came across the Knights of Blood and it says they was heretics but loyal to blood angels(defence of baal) can someone tell me why they are heretics? Thanks. Mike Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Not every chapter declared 'traitors' or 'renegades' are actually heretics. In the case of the Knights of Blood, the chapter's flaw-induced acts of violence got so bad that they were kicked out. As a for example, cutting down allies who got between them and their opponents, re-taking a city and carrying on through the civilian population, that type of thing generally wears down the authorities' patience. They don't serve Chaos or anything, they still consider themselves a loyal chapter - the Imperium just thinks they have a funny way of showing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2701909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reaver Beaver Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I was just about to ask the same question, are there other known renegade blood angel chapters? could they still fight along side other space marine chapters (fluff wise) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2701938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Michaels Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 I was just about to ask the same question, are there other known renegade blood angel chapters? could they still fight along side other space marine chapters (fluff wise) well i have got this from lexicanum In 999.M41, the Knights of Blood assisted their founding Chapter in their defence of Baal against both the daemonic hordes of Ka'Bandha and the Tyranids of Hive Fleet Leviathan. Being branded as renegades, they kept their distance from the other Chapters during the battles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2701944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I was just about to ask the same question, are there other known renegade blood angel chapters? could they still fight along side other space marine chapters (fluff wise) well i have got this from lexicanum In 999.M41, the Knights of Blood assisted their founding Chapter in their defence of Baal against both the daemonic hordes of Ka'Bandha and the Tyranids of Hive Fleet Leviathan. Being branded as renegades, they kept their distance from the other Chapters during the battles. That's straight from Codex: Blood Angels, pg. 17. :lol: As for my Knights of Blood: They were decreed "Renegade" which means neither "traitor" nor "heretic". It means, if we answer the call to rid your planet of xenos or Chaos scum, you should abandon the battlefield and let us do what we have to do. The problem with civilians is, they feel once they've called for help they can just sit back and watch the professionals. It doesn't work like that! All or nothing! For the Emperor!! FOR SANGUINIUS!!! Seriously though. Since there is very little fluff written about KoBs, a few of us have written our own. I settled on the fact that my Death Company can't recognize friend from foe and will move toward, shoot and assault the nearest any non-BA unit on the table. Unless Astorath the Grim is within 6", then that clears their heads a teeny tiny bit. :eek Please refrain from the slander, gents. "Renegades." "Unwelcome allies at best." We're not traitors. Nor are we heretics!!! Good day. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2702089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Codex Imperial Guard refers to them as "Knights of Blood Chaos Space Marines" as I recall- but I think they've moved away from that portrayal since then. Don't they also appear in the list of Chaos Renegade chapters in Codex CSM- with chaos-style armour? Codex: Blood Angels, might be retconning them in that respect. Also- Deathwatch: Rites of Battle, has a little more on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Taken from this (link) article on the GW website: Knights of BloodNearly one thousand years ago the Knights of Blood were decreed Renegade by the High Lords of Terra. This damning decision came after several hundred years of uncontrolled butchery, perpetrated against friends and foes alike. Undeterred by this edict, the Knights of Blood continue to fight the enemies of Mankind, arriving unannounced (and often unwanted) to lend their considerable might to a conflict or war. Their fell reputation, combined with their obvious brutality, makes Imperial commanders nervous at best, and justifiably so for in the midst of battle the Knights of Blood are often indifferent to the distinctions of ally and enemy. Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Codex Imperial Guard refers to them as "Knights of Blood Chaos Space Marines" as I recall- but I think they've moved away from that portrayal since then. Don't they also appear in the list of Chaos Renegade chapters in Codex CSM- with chaos-style armour? Codex: Blood Angels, might be retconning them in that respect. Yes, KoB are listed as a chaos chapter in CSM. Perhaps there is more than one KoB chapter, or some of the Renegade Knights have fallen to chaos in their millenia of Renegadehood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 KoB = New FT G :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 As stated there are 2 factions called Knights of Blood, both of which are renegade and one is certainly Chaos, as they appear in the Chaos Codex. My guess it was a fluff mistake by GW, but you could equally say that they both originate from the same Chapter just one section stayed loyal whilst the other did not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 As stated there are 2 factions called Knights of Blood, both of which are renegade and one is certainly Chaos, as they appear in the Chaos Codex. My guess it was a fluff mistake by GW, but you could equally say that they both originate from the same Chapter just one section stayed loyal whilst the other did not Night lords are in the Choas codex and they dont worship chaos on mass infect they dispise the worshippers of chaos, although some do t fall to chaos. Anyway your right there seems to be 2 nights of blood army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I dont recall saying that all those in the Chaos Codex worship the Chaos Gods..... The Knights of Blood after all do have a Juggernaught as their warband symbol. Also some of the Night Lords do worship Chaos, at least some of the ones i read in Lord of the Night and Soul Hunter do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I dont recall saying that all those in the Chaos Codex worship the Chaos Gods..... The Knights of Blood after all do have a Juggernaught as their warband symbol. Also some of the Night Lords do worship Chaos, at least some of the ones i read in Lord of the Night and Soul Hunter do. You implied that because knights of blood are in the chaos dex that they worship chaos (admittedly they probably do) and i did make it clear that some night lords worship chaosbut its not a trait of there legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 you could equally say that they both originate from the same Chapter just one section stayed loyal whilst the other did not Seems plausible- they might have split into companies, and some might have slipped further than others- and committed the massacres mentioned in Codex: Imperial Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 KoB sound awesome in my opinion :D And Night lords have very little to do with chaos daemons that's why I started a second chaos army (word bearers) as those guys are crazy, they can field the most daemons out of any chaos space marine chapter! After I have build my BA army I'm gonna start another word bearers army I feel.. I lost a well over 1500 point word bearers army when I broke up with a girlfriend of 7 years cos she was a crazy bitch and she wouldn't let me have my stuff back.. Know odea what happened to them :'( I would also like to do a KoB army as they sound way cool, sanguinarian you should pm me and fill me in on all that is KoB shaped if you have the time bro ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 you could equally say that they both originate from the same Chapter just one section stayed loyal whilst the other did not Seems plausible- they might have split into companies, and some might have slipped further than others- and committed the massacres mentioned in Codex: Imperial Guard. Or they worshipp khorne but see him and sanguinus as the same, a bit like the holy trinity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Drop Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 you could equally say that they both originate from the same Chapter just one section stayed loyal whilst the other did not Seems plausible- they might have split into companies, and some might have slipped further than others- and committed the massacres mentioned in Codex: Imperial Guard. Or they worshipp khorne but see him and sanguinus as the same, a bit like the holy trinity. The blood god and sanguinus seen as the same? They must be pretty deluded as one is a daemon who sits on a throne of skulls in the middle of a lake of blood and the other a winged being that pretty much depicts an angel... How could this have happened? Haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
banis Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I think the plausibel explanation here is simple that GW, wanting a "renegade" chapter for their new blood angles book, leafed through the CSM codex, and picked the only chapter with the word "blood" in it. They then rewrote their fluff and coloration and here we are. This wouldn't be the first time a chapter changed armor color. Also remember that each codex is written from that books point of view. So in the blood angel book they might be nasty renengades but hey they are still sons of Sanguinus. And the current chaos codex is more a chaos marine renenegade codex rather than a chaos gods legions. I don't see them being different chapters. This would be the only exampel of 2 chapters sharing the same name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2706760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I hate beating a dead horse, but C:BA 5th Edition has been out almost a year and this has ALL been discussed SEVERAL times. All yous guys have yo do is search "Knights Blood" (do not type "of") and you will see the same discussions which started last April, . Hopefully the Smiley face was enough to not get me a flaming warning. Knights of Blood UNITE for the Emperor! FOR SANGUINIUS!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2707321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSon Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 As far as I know these's no evidence linking the two KoB. My best guess as to how this happened is an oversight on GW's part. It wouldn't be the first time. As to how the ones in the BA codex got declared renegade, not much is written besides that bit about untamed butchery. My guess is it was a similar situation as we see with the Flesh Tearers today only I get the felling that it was to an even greater degree and they attempted to control it even less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2707346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haunter! Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The Chapter was branded renegade for their recklessness and disregard for their allies. Part of the Chapter continues their duties to mankind, while another part has forsaken them and seek only to slaughter. This is how I see them anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2707470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Even though it would be cool if both factions were from the same original Chapter my guess is its a fluf mistake by GW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/225715-knights-of-blood/#findComment-2707545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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