Nuntius Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Who thinks Dante's Tactical Precision would work with a unit of DC coming out of a Stormraven using the "Skies of Blood" rule? I know the tactical implications are not the best, I am concerned with the actual feasibility of the process. It certainly isn't a game winner but could be fun to give your opponent an "OMG" moment. That is if the rules supports it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evileyevirtue Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The best answer in most cases of questions like these are to "read the rules." In this case, the best answer is to "read the rules." Tactical Precision has no influence what-so-ever over Skies of Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss John Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 well me and my friend took Dante and a 575pt blob of DC for an Adepticon primer, along with an Honorguard with 4 melta, so th opponent always clustered their tanks beliveing a wicked melta deathstar was coming their way and then we'd announce Dante was percision deepstrikeing behind their lines with 10 deathcompany (one being lemartes who just so happened to always finish his Jp movement landing in difficult terrain :lol: ) and this combo worked wonders :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Who thinks Dante's Tactical Precision would work with a unit of DC coming out of a Stormraven using the "Skies of Blood" rule? I know the tactical implications are not the best, I am concerned with the actual feasibility of the process. It certainly isn't a game winner but could be fun to give your opponent an "OMG" moment. That is if the rules supports it. The best answer in most cases of questions like these are to "read the rules." In this case, the best answer is to "read the rules." Tactical Precision has no influence what-so-ever over Skies of Blood. It is an interesting notion, "evileyevirtue" and rather than dismissing the querie I'd rather answer it. Oh, behave!!! :) As per C:BA, disembarking via Skies of Blood allows jump-packers to use DoA, so why wouldn't it allow Dante and his 1 unit to not scatter, and thus, no Dangerous Terrain test? Where is there anything in the BRB that would contradict that? I think it's a win-win except that they cannot assault on the turn they do so, so make sure the LZ is clear of bad guys. well me and my friend took Dante and a 575pt blob of DC for an Adepticon primer, along with an Honorguard with 4 melta, so th opponent always clustered their tanks beliveing a wicked melta deathstar was coming their way and then we'd announce Dante was percision deepstrikeing behind their lines with 10 deathcompany (one being lemartes who just so happened to always finish his Jp movement landing in difficult terrain ;) ) and this combo worked wonders :D I had to reread this, because at first I thought you had used Dante's Tactical Precision for both the DC and the HG. Never mind. That would be wicked if it was for every unit within 6". ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 well me and my friend took Dante and a 575pt blob of DC for an Adepticon primer, along with an Honorguard with 4 melta, so th opponent always clustered their tanks beliveing a wicked melta deathstar was coming their way and then we'd announce Dante was percision deepstrikeing behind their lines with 10 deathcompany (one being lemartes who just so happened to always finish his Jp movement landing in difficult terrain ;) ) and this combo worked wonders :) You realize you have to declare during deployment who Dante is joined to, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss John Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 well me and my friend took Dante and a 575pt blob of DC for an Adepticon primer, along with an Honorguard with 4 melta, so th opponent always clustered their tanks beliveing a wicked melta deathstar was coming their way and then we'd announce Dante was percision deepstrikeing behind their lines with 10 deathcompany (one being lemartes who just so happened to always finish his Jp movement landing in difficult terrain :D ) and this combo worked wonders ;) You realize you have to declare during deployment who Dante is joined to, right? yeah but they would deploy first and would deploy very clustered around their leman russes anticipateing the Melta deathstar, where in effect they were making it easier for the BA to DS around them :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 When I first saw this thread I thought it was about Dante having sucumbed to the flaw. Now that would be interesting, and there's certainly a precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog8324 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 well me and my friend took Dante and a 575pt blob of DC for an Adepticon primer, along with an Honorguard with 4 melta, so th opponent always clustered their tanks beliveing a wicked melta deathstar was coming their way and then we'd announce Dante was percision deepstrikeing behind their lines with 10 deathcompany (one being lemartes who just so happened to always finish his Jp movement landing in difficult terrain ;) ) and this combo worked wonders :) Yeah that was a fun tourney. Game three our opponent did not realize what Dante's Precision Strike Meant so we attached him to the Melta Honor Guard and deep struck right into the rear arc of the Leman Russ Demoliser with plasma sponsons. Good thing we kept that tank locked down till we could kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vharing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It is an interesting notion, "evileyevirtue" and rather than dismissing the querie I'd rather answer it. Oh, behave!!! :) As per C:BA, disembarking via Skies of Blood allows jump-packers to use DoA, so why wouldn't it allow Dante and his 1 unit to not scatter, and thus, no Dangerous Terrain test? Where is there anything in the BRB that would contradict that? I think it's a win-win except that they cannot assault on the turn they do so, so make sure the LZ is clear of bad guys. the BA codex says, "Commander Dante (and his unit, if he has joined one and they have jump packs) does not scatter when it deploys by Deep strike" Dante cant deploy via DS if he was already deployed inside the SR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 There is some confusion here with DoA, which is jump-pack related and tactical precision, which is Dante specific. Also what unit exactly is deepstriking. It would be the vehicle, the Storm Raven, not the jump-packed troops or Dante embarked in it, so would use its special rules. Although reading the rule book is admirable advice, this question does show the oddities in the storm Raven. As a (the) transport for jump-packed troops, it duplicates the effect of deep striking with them (which I presume simulates dropping them from high altitude transports uch as Thunderhawks). It has the big downside that the Storm Raven is vulnerable to attack while except from the interceptors of planet strike deep striking jump packers are not, until they are deployed. In this case, why wouldn't you attach Dante to a jumpacked DC and deep-strike them using tactical precision to get the same result much more cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evileyevirtue Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 It is an interesting notion, "evileyevirtue" and rather than dismissing the querie I'd rather answer it. Oh, behave!!! rolleyes.gif As per C:BA, disembarking via Skies of Blood allows jump-packers to use DoA, so why wouldn't it allow Dante and his 1 unit to not scatter, and thus, no Dangerous Terrain test? Where is there anything in the BRB that would contradict that? I think it's a win-win except that they cannot assault on the turn they do so, so make sure the LZ is clear of bad guys. It's NOT a notion, it's the rules. DOA has an effect on Skies of Blood because it explicitly states in the rule itself that it has an effect. Skies of Blood, furthermore, says to deploy the unit "as if it were Deep Striking", not the unit deploys via Deep Strike. Dante's rule specifically states it has an effect when the unit Deep Strikes, not when the unit Deep Strikes, or moves as if it had Deep Struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 It is an interesting notion, "evileyevirtue" and rather than dismissing the querie I'd rather answer it. Oh, behave!!! :D As per C:BA, disembarking via Skies of Blood allows jump-packers to use DoA, so why wouldn't it allow Dante and his 1 unit to not scatter, and thus, no Dangerous Terrain test? Where is there anything in the BRB that would contradict that? I think it's a win-win except that they cannot assault on the turn they do so, so make sure the LZ is clear of bad guys. the BA codex says, "Commander Dante (and his unit, if he has joined one and they have jump packs) does not scatter when it deploys by Deep strike" Dante cant deploy via DS if he was already deployed inside the SR. I went to post this, and found it already posted. vharing has the solution here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuntius Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 @ evileyevirtue I did "read the rules." and found it ambiguous, at best. That is why I posted here. That is the purpose of this forum IIRC, and apparently I am not the only one or it would not have had this many responses. So thank you for your patronizing comments. @everyone else, thank you for considering my question and responding with helpful and constructive comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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