Is Lord Kaldor Draigo worth it?

[Justcar]

I know a lot of people think that he is too expensive (and he IS expensive, 250pts), but I don't think people are adequately taking into account what he brings to the table.

 

A normal GM is 175 pts.

 

Draigo has +1 WS, S, T, W, A

 

Draigo has eternal warrior

 

Draigo has a 3+ inv. save AT A DISTANCE (Read: you can allocate a lascannon shot or two onto him without any fear!)

 

Draigo makes Paladins troops!! (if you take even one squad, you don't have to take as many normal troops! It frees up pts for interceptors and storm ravens (on the whole) and frees up other units to benefit from the Grand strategy)

 

Attached to a Paladin squad, Draigo will destroy anything he touches and weather almost any assault!

 

Thoughts???

[soots]

i like him

hes our version of the sanguinor(kinda)

my friend ran his nids against my gks... 2k

swarmlord +guards vs draigo + 5 man pallies

draigo, imo is a beast in combat, wiped out the lord, while the pallies took out the guards

 

btw hes 275 pts

[Gentlemanloser]

Too expensive to ever use. ;)

 

For his points, you can get an additional 5 Paladin, or 13 GKSS.

 

And in our limited body count army, that's far too much to give up. When if you really need to, you can take a GM 100 points cheaper (5 more GKSS!) and give your Pallies Scoring anyway.

 

It's not like we're realy going to run out of slots (due to our Point cost).

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Never ever ever use his first name. Kaldors is a crappy old department store. Otherwise I like him for silly Paladin lists. For everything else, there's the GM, who is much cheaper but is still good in CC, still has Grand Strategy... and can take fancy grenades, unlike Draigo.

[Gaz1858]

Im thinking of running a GKGM with Psycannon, Halberd, Rad Grenades, Psychtroke Grenades, Empyrean Brain Mines = 265

 

In my view this is a better GM as he is much better in Assault than Draigo. The grenades give -1 Toughness, Possibility of stopping a single model attacking and a d6 effect ranging from re-rolls to hit to the enemy unit destroying itself!

[Justcar]

Sorry about the 250....

 

275 then,

 

BUT...

 

GM 175 pts

 

+ Psyker mastery level 2

 

+ MC sword

 

+ Rad Grenades (as similar to Draigo's +1 S as you can get)

 

That comes out to 220pts

 

So you pay about 55 pts (1 measly paladin) for eternal warrior an inv. save that you can use at range, +1 attack, +1 Toughness, and +1 Wound...and your costly paladin squads can now hold objectives!

 

This allows you to use grand strategy on other units, or if you have enough scoring units... make your squads re-roll 1s to wound.

 

I think people get caught up on cost (although at smaller points there's no way you can play him!!), but I think he does a lot more for the army than he costs (IMHO)

 

Of course if you don't want even 1 squad of paladins in your army, then he will be a waste to you! I, personally want to have 1-2 five man paladin squads (for now), so I might get my points out of him!

[Gaz1858]

Psyker mastery level 2 xxpts?? (don't have the dex with me)

xx mate

 

I think in anything below a 2K list it will be dificult. 2 x 5 man Paladin squads are 550 before adding any weapons, then 275 for Draigo is a total of 825.Once you add an Apothecary and Brotherhood Banner then your on close to 1000 poitns for 11 models.

 

Total monster but difficult to squeeze into a tourney list (which is now 1850 i believe.

[Justcar]

Psyker mastery level 2 xxpts?? (don't have the dex with me)

xx mate

 

I think in anything below a 2K list it will be dificult. 2 x 5 man Paladin squads are 550 before adding any weapons, then 275 for Draigo is a total of 825.Once you add an Apothecary and Brotherhood Banner then your on close to 1000 poitns for 11 models.

 

Total monster but difficult to squeeze into a tourney list (which is now 1850 i believe.

 

I agree on the tournament part. Except for an Ard Boyz (2500pts, I believe). But, i don't like going for spam lists. i want a list that I like with plenty of units that I like. Besides, it is my belief that a great general can make anything happen. :P

 

xx pts though?? that makes my case even better!! Draigo is only 45pts more than the closest replica and is WAY more lethal.

[Grand Master Tchezzarus]

"But, i don't like going for spam lists. i want a list that I like with plenty of units that I like. Besides, it is my belief that a great general can make anything happen."

 

Can't agree any more!!!

The Problem with the GK codex is that tou won't have "plenty of units that" you like, but if you built your list/play this way, you'll have variety!

[DevianID]

Regular GM are really good, what with psycannons, grenades, and servoskulls all being fantastic items. However, eternal warrior and a 3+ invuln save means that any attack that shoots at you will go to Draigo first. With a regular GM, you can only put s7 or less attacks onto him, and only benefit from a 4++ versus shooting.

 

So say that you took paladins, as they are pretty darn good. You get hit with a lascannon. With a regular GM, you are putting this attack on a paladin. Say you get 4+ cover, each lascannon kills 28 points of paladins if you bought no upgrades. Now with Draigo, each lascannon kills 23 points of draigo, but also keeps your squad at 100%. So after just a few shots, Draigo becomes cheaper than a regular GM.

[SamaNagol]

If you take Paladins as Troops, you can take an extra MC Psycannon over the 5 man GKT squad anyway, circumventing the GM Psycannon you should be taking as standard.

 

So Draigo in a unit of 5 Pallies with 2 Psycannon, couple of Halberds, Brotherhood Banner, a Sword and a MC Daemon Hammer can do pretty much anything.

 

It is something for 1750+ pt games though

[amberclad87]

I think a 2000pts he is worth it. any less than it gets hard to use. I played against a friend of mine who used draigo and 8 paladin terminators plus other stuff in a 2000pt game and they walked through over 50 of my black templars like they weren't even there! Comparing him to the other characters in the game that cost this much I think he is the best out of the lot.

[Brother Dylan]

Will have to do a 1v1 against Abbadon to see how he fairs before I say anything like that.

[HERO]

I like the GM better for these reasons:

- Lower price

- Flexibility in weapons

- Flexibility with grenades

- Flexibility in ranged weapons

- Notice the trend with flexibility?

 

Draigo has better stats, has a SS and can't be ID'd, but at the end of the day he's a very rigid GM.

 

I'm a bigger fan of the more flexible GM because I don't mind having GKSS as troops. They shoot very well.

[Oiad]

Never ever ever use his first name. Kaldors is a crappy old department store. Otherwise I like him for silly Paladin lists. For everything else, there's the GM, who is much cheaper but is still good in CC, still has Grand Strategy... and can take fancy grenades, unlike Draigo.

Yeah but being kinda named after the antagonist in Rocky IV isn't too shabby. ^_^

[thor1234]

I've been using him in 2000K + games and he is well worth his points, in lower points thresh holds he gets to expensive too quiuckly, thats not to say its not possible to take him, just tricky to field a decent 1500 point army that can handle itself........

he is definatley up their with the best of them.......

[AoC]

Psyker mastery level 2 25pts?? (don't have the dex with me)

35 mate

 

I think in anything below a 2K list it will be dificult. 2 x 5 man Paladin squads are 550 before adding any weapons, then 275 for Draigo is a total of 825.Once you add an Apothecary and Brotherhood Banner then your on close to 1000 poitns for 11 models.

 

Total monster but difficult to squeeze into a tourney list (which is now 1850 i believe.

 

Don't take apoth and banner then, i don't think they are worth it. The squad already shrug off small-arms, and have enough attacks to deal with stuff. Besides, buy falchions for +2 attacks on 2 paladins and you have those attacks for cheaper (banner can be worth it in overkill 10 man squad, ditto apoth).

 

Besides, Draigo 275 + 55 paladin squad of 1 + 55 paladin squad of 1 = 385 points on mandatory choices, not much.

[Hackbar]

Besides, Draigo 275 + 55 paladin squad of 1 + 55 paladin squad of 1 = 385 points on mandatory choices, not much.

 

You, sir, just broke this codex wide open.

 

2K list = draigo + 2x 1-man paladin squads + 1600 points of pretty much anything you want.

Want 3 maxed interceptor squads and 3 teleporting dreadknights to go with them? Done. And d3 of them can be scoring.

[AoC]

Besides, Draigo 275 + 55 paladin squad of 1 + 55 paladin squad of 1 = 385 points on mandatory choices, not much.

 

You, sir, just broke this codex wide open.

 

2K list = draigo + 2x 1-man paladin squads + 1600 points of pretty much anything you want.

Want 3 maxed interceptor squads and 3 teleporting dreadknights to go with them? Done. And d3 of them can be scoring.

 

Well, the same can be done with Coteaz and 2 squads of 3 man warrior acolytes for less points. 124 if i remember correctly.

[Hackbar]

Besides, Draigo 275 + 55 paladin squad of 1 + 55 paladin squad of 1 = 385 points on mandatory choices, not much.

 

You, sir, just broke this codex wide open.

 

2K list = draigo + 2x 1-man paladin squads + 1600 points of pretty much anything you want.

Want 3 maxed interceptor squads and 3 teleporting dreadknights to go with them? Done. And d3 of them can be scoring.

 

Well, the same can be done with Coteaz and 2 squads of 3 man warrior acolytes for less points. 124 if i remember correctly.

 

Hush, you. I'm still trying to pretend codex:Grey Knights was actually written for people who want to just play grey knights.

[Andrew B]

Hush, you. I'm still trying to pretend codex:Grey Knights was actually written for people who want to just play grey knights.

 

Pretend? You mean I ripped the Inquisition pages in my codex for nothing?

[bedeporter]

I've managed a 1500 points list including draigo, two paladin squads and two strike squads, a dread and a callidus. I think it will be able to handle itself quite well.

[Zagman]

I have been using Driago in my GK games so far. So far, two games at 2k and one game at 1.5k. I ran Driago with either 2-3 5man squads of paladin and either 2-3 dreadknights, two of which will have greatwords heavy incinerators and personal teleporters.

 

I won both 2k games wiping my opposition to a man, losing all three dreadknights, but having 7 paladins and Driago survive.

 

In my 1.5k game I faced a competitive GK Inquisition list meant as a precurser for Ard Boyz. Due to not going first and a some bad rolls(Roll 1 for grand strategy, out of one armor and 3 invuln saves on driago I failed the armor and two of the invulns, no more ID wound allocation for my paladins). I was ahead in kill points but lost my last paladin. He had 3xS10 AP1 psyker templates, 6 jokero lascannons, a psyriffleman dread, and a conversion beamer each turn. Needless to say, almost no army will be brining this much S8+ AP2- weaponry. I feel confident that this list is capable of beating competitive lists, just won't compete on a serious level.

 

These lists won't fair well in tournaments, but will be just fine in non tournament settings. I like Driago so far, just wish he had a Psycannon.

[The Rose Princes]

i like him

hes our version of the sanguinor(kinda)

my friend ran his nids against my gks... 2k

swarmlord +guards vs draigo + 5 man pallies

draigo, imo is a beast in combat, wiped out the lord, while the pallies took out the guards

 

btw hes 275 pts

are you aware that a swarmlord is not an IC so cannot be target directly?

[thor1234]

actually as per the shieldwiall special rule, he and any hive tyrant gain the Independant Character special rule while attached to a tyrant guard unit, so pick him out all you like! though he's still pretty tough!