Gree Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_...ng#The_Void-War I'm suprised that somebody wrote this up that quickly. I'm rather pleased by these spoilers actually. It sounds like both sides got good credit in the book and nobody got fodderised. It also answers the question of SW sucessors interestingly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 WOW, this book is going to be EPIC!!!! I think after I read it, I'm gonna call out local chaos players to battle hahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 now i am VERY interested in getting me paws on the book. after reading the spoilers, i do wonder who came off the better... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 now i am VERY interested in getting me paws on the book. after reading the spoilers, i do wonder who came off the better... WLK I'm guessing the Wolves. True the Wolves get screwed over pretty badly by Magnus wrecking any chance of creating flaw-free sucessors, but the Wolves themselves continue to exist. Meanwhile the Sons lost all Non-Astartes Legion assets and took losses with Magnus appearantly not caring about anything else. In essence both sides accomplished their primary objective. Magnus ended the Sons of Russ project and dealt a major blow to the Wolves. And the Wolves where able to beat off the Thousand Sons from the Fang. But the Sons lost much of their remaining power as a Legion from that attack. they were not exactly broken, as the Rubric already split the Sons into splinter factions, but the Sons lost quite alot. On a side note just from reading this gives me new plot bunnies for Dust to Dust. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Must.........Resist......Spoilers!!!.....ARRRRRRRRGH! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 now i am VERY interested in getting me paws on the book. after reading the spoilers, i do wonder who came off the better... WLK I'm guessing the Wolves. True the Wolves get screwed over pretty badly by Magnus wrecking any chance of creating flaw-free sucessors, but the Wolves themselves continue to exist. Meanwhile the Sons lost all Non-Astartes Legion assets and took losses with Magnus appearantly not caring about anything else. In essence both sides accomplished their primary objective. Magnus ended the Sons of Russ project and dealt a major blow to the Wolves. And the Wolves where able to beat off the Thousand Sons from the Fang. But the Sons lost much of their remaining power as a Legion from that attack. they were not exactly broken, as the Rubric already split the Sons into splinter factions, but the Sons lost quite alot. On a side note just from reading this gives me new plot bunnies for Dust to Dust. I've always wondered about.. the Minotaurs. If a Wolf Priest can break the code, and find the secrets to of the canis helix. I don't see why the High Lords of Terra could do the same with their extensive resources! and what better way to keep things secret, when EVERYONE knows that there were/are no successful successor chapters after the Wolf Brothers. Especially if the curse of the wulfen have been removed! Just a thought. I'm EXCITED for this book! I think it's going to be better than Prospero Burns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 now i am VERY interested in getting me paws on the book. after reading the spoilers, i do wonder who came off the better... WLK I'm guessing the Wolves. True the Wolves get screwed over pretty badly by Magnus wrecking any chance of creating flaw-free sucessors, but the Wolves themselves continue to exist. Meanwhile the Sons lost all Non-Astartes Legion assets and took losses with Magnus appearantly not caring about anything else. In essence both sides accomplished their primary objective. Magnus ended the Sons of Russ project and dealt a major blow to the Wolves. And the Wolves where able to beat off the Thousand Sons from the Fang. But the Sons lost much of their remaining power as a Legion from that attack. they were not exactly broken, as the Rubric already split the Sons into splinter factions, but the Sons lost quite alot. On a side note just from reading this gives me new plot bunnies for Dust to Dust. I can see that, but seeing the project the Wolves lost (which i wasnt even aware off) makes me a very sad puppy. The TSs were pretty much broken, so this is just a nail in the coffin. and dont hold back Rags! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 now i am VERY interested in getting me paws on the book. after reading the spoilers, i do wonder who came off the better... WLK I'm guessing the Wolves. True the Wolves get screwed over pretty badly by Magnus wrecking any chance of creating flaw-free sucessors, but the Wolves themselves continue to exist. Meanwhile the Sons lost all Non-Astartes Legion assets and took losses with Magnus appearantly not caring about anything else. In essence both sides accomplished their primary objective. Magnus ended the Sons of Russ project and dealt a major blow to the Wolves. And the Wolves where able to beat off the Thousand Sons from the Fang. But the Sons lost much of their remaining power as a Legion from that attack. they were not exactly broken, as the Rubric already split the Sons into splinter factions, but the Sons lost quite alot. On a side note just from reading this gives me new plot bunnies for Dust to Dust. I've always wondered about.. the Minotaurs. If a Wolf Priest can break the code, and find the secrets to of the canis helix. I don't see why the High Lords of Terra could do the same with their extensive resources! and what better way to keep things secret, when EVERYONE knows that there were/are no successful successor chapters after the Wolf Brothers. Especially if the curse of the wulfen have been removed! Just a thought. I'm EXCITED for this book! I think it's going to be better than Prospero Burns. The geneseed is susposedd to be very complex. The last time the Imperium tried experimenting with it the Cursed Founding happened. I think the only person aside from the Emperor himself who truely understands how the gene-seed works is Fabius Bile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 maybe its less of a issue of can they but more of a issue of do they want to? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The geneseed is susposedd to be very complex. The last time the Imperium tried experimenting with it the Cursed Founding happened. I think the only person aside from the Emperor himself who truely understands how the gene-seed works is Fabius Bile. true! I guess this helps puts things more into perspective, seeing and knowing that a successor chapter from the SW, indicates to many the dangers it can cause for the forces of chaos. Not to take away from all the cool chaos legions or anything! but I guess, keeping the SW's small in numbers, is one way to keep things balanced in the 40K universe haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 maybe its less of a issue of can they but more of a issue of do they want to? WLK If you were a High Lord, and you could have a force working under your thumb like the SW's, I'm sure you would want to harness that power, and might for your own selfish greedy needs. Seeing as the SW's don't give to :cusss about the politics and bull that come from them anyway.. it would be an option. Just go to mars, get some gene seed samples and experiment, until you've got it perfected. If a Wolf Priest can do it then... why not? a reason why my thoughts came to the Minotaurs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I can see that logic, but the High Lords already have many brutal Chapters under their thumb from more...stable gene-seed sources. i think your previous post hit the nail on the head...two chapters like the Space Wolves would unbalance the background! :D WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 maybe its less of a issue of can they but more of a issue of do they want to? WLK If you were a High Lord, and you could have a force working under your thumb like the SW's, I'm sure you would want to harness that power, and might for your own selfish greedy needs. Seeing as the SW's don't give to :cusss about the politics and bull that come from them anyway.. it would be an option. Just go to mars, get some gene seed samples and experiment, until you've got it perfected. If a Wolf Priest can do it then... why not? a reason why my thoughts came to the Minotaurs. But if you remove the Canis Helix from the Space Wolf geneseed, then the Wolves arn't really Wolves now are they anymore? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 But if you remove the Canis Helix from the Space Wolf geneseed, then the Wolves arn't really Wolves now are they anymore? I never said to remove the Canis Helix, I said perfect it.. as in what the spoiler tells us: to reproduce the gene-seed of the Space Wolves without any of its inherent flaws. Off topic here, I hope they talk about, or mention something about the disappearance of Russ. Anyway, I'm also looking forward to for some future Horus Heresy books! we need MORE Mortarion!!! and some Konrad Curze!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I couldn't resist..... I like that they introduce the successor project as the true impetus for Magnus's invasion plan. After the TSons book, where Magnus knows he is being punished, and the wolves are the natural executioner to perform the punishment, I think it is less plausabile that he'd have some much vengeance to prosecute such an invasion. But having a ring of successor wolf chapters guarding the EoT is a very threatening prospect for Chaos marine plans around the Eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Not sure if what I am about to say qualifies as spoilers, but I'll post it anyways: It is hinted as much in the Burning of Prospero, and in A Thousand Sons, that there is something inherently anathema too "psykers" and "sorcerors" within the Vlka Fenryka. It is something to note that the Rune Priests seem perfectly capable of harnessing their powers, so perhaps part of this nature is more specifically towards rogue warp-magicks and daemon-sorcery. Abnett even spells out (not so much in writing, but in his interviews expressing "intent" and "theme") that the Space Wolves were more or less bred to take down another Legion, any Legion. And it is interesting that of all the Legions, they were the ones most perfectly suited to taking down the Thousand Sons than any other. Following the end of the Horus Heresy (or shortly after the Burning of Prospero, depending on your viewpoint, but both are semantical points), Leman Russ sent Lord Bulveye and the 13th into the Eye of Terror to hunt down their traitorous brethren; to track down Ezekyle Abaddon and to bring the traitors' to justice. It is an agenda they have pursued for ten thousand years and, following their re-emergence during the Eye of Terror, one they still execute with the utmost dedication and loyalty. It is interesting to note that despite their continued exposure to the warp and to the daemonic that they still remain untainted, albiet wolf-bitten, with the Wulfen-curse manifesting itself far more readily than would normally be expected within the other members of the 6th Legion. What do the members of the Rout have that no other Legion has, that makes them so naturally resistant to the corrupting influence of the warp? The answer, of course, is the Canis Helix. It is curious to me, and I wonder what correlation or link there is between the Canis Helix, and the Wulfen-curse (if any), and whether or not the two are inextricably linked. My personal theory is that the two are linked, hand in hand; you cannot have one without the other. But this is both their curse and their boon. This feral nature allows them to tap into reserves of strength, rage and fury that no other Astartes (save perhaps those struck by the thirst of the Blood Angels?) could hope to match, but unlike the vampiric Angels of Death, the Wulfen-curse focuses the mind; it channels all of that aggression into a speartip that is thrust with singular purpose: to destroy the daemon-spawn and the warp-cursed. A mind so focused that corrupting influence holds little sway over its heart and mind. Think about it. The only other Legion capable of combating Chaos is the militant arm of the Ordos Malleus; the Grey Knights. Perfected in body, spirit and mind, they are an army of psykers without equal, bred from birth to resist the malignant influence of Chaos and to cast out the Daemon and the Psyker. The Space Wolves are already that by nature (13th Company), and need only be channeled. That is why Magnus was so afraid of the Space Wolves unlocking the secrets of their geneseed, and why he would gamble and sacrifice so much to eliminate Wolf Priest Thrar Hraldir and his work/laboratories. Dozens (or even hundreds) of Space Wolves Successor Chapters ringing the Eye of Terror would not only effectively eliminate all chances of Chaos encroaching through into Cadia and beyond, but would serve as the materials for the Imperium to (in the first time ever) launch their own crusade into the Warp. Imagine what untold damage and carnage that the 13th Company, a SINGLE company of Space Wolves has done in the past ten thousand years. Imagine that multiplied a thousand fold. A hundred thousand fold. If you ask me, the Space Wolves may have won the battle, but the Imperium lost a significant potential asset in the process. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 nice one DV8! I like that. My hat goes off to the writer, the Fang's own Chris Wraight! this book is going to be good! but this leaves us wolves wanting more after! we should get him to do/write the First War of Armageddon hahahahahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Bah! I can read the Lexicanum but nothing else because I only have my droid right now. All the blacked out sucks for till tomorrow at work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 your not missing anything wolf brother! just mindless chatter, mostly Gree talking about Lady Gaga again... or was it Daft Punk? I forget! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 your not missing anything wolf brother! just mindless chatter, mostly Gree talking about Lady Gaga again... or was it Daft Punk? I forget! Those chicks with box heads doing their little dance thing had decent bodies. I have no opinion on Lady Gaga because I am not into dudes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 DV8 not really a spoiler. With respect to the Wulfen Curse...this has been hinted at during the Eye of Terror campaign ( i think in the 13th company IA) that they curse may be a defense to chaos. Just keep in mind that losing ones self to the wulfen curse is still seen as just that a curse... not something sw's would want to occur. (listen to" Thunder from Fenris"). Keep in mind that even if were are highly resistent we have instances of sw's falling to chaos (Red Corsair event) and it appears GK's, and I think Custodes, are the only ones to claim they have never falling to chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 See the inquisition and their black marker of doom have infiltrated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 DV8 not really a spoiler. With respect to the Wulfen Curse...this has been hinted at during the Eye of Terror campaign ( i think in the 13th company IA) that they curse may be a defense to chaos. Just keep in mind that losing ones self to the wulfen curse is still seen as just that a curse... not something sw's would want to occur. (listen to" Thunder from Fenris"). Keep in mind that even if were are highly resistent we have instances of sw's falling to chaos (Red Corsair event) and it appears GK's, and I think Custodes, are the only ones to claim they have never falling to chaos. Fair enough, I don't argue that the Wulfen-curse isn't anything but a bad thing, but considering that the entirety of the 13th Company now exhibits the wolf-gene, with only a portion of the company transforming into full-blown Wulfen, I think that the gene-curse that Russ gifted to his Legion is still a rather effective defense; one can resist the transformation with a strong will and retain control. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Oh, I think the wulfen curse is far more desirable v/s falling to chaos. (something else mentioned in Thunder from Fenris...if any of you have not listened to this I strongly recommend it). I also think the 13th company has learned to handle the curse better than other companies (even prior to heresy) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 This.... This is the book that Prospero Burns should have been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226088-battle-of-the-fang-spoilers/#findComment-2707728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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