henrywalker Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Why can't my inquisitor with terminator armor take a dameon blade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Because of the rules? Also, you're misspelling in the title made my think of Damon Wayans, which then reminded me of the movie Blankman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSon Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 From a fluff standpoint, possession of a daemon weapon would be heresy of the highest degree. Just look at how much trouble the Relictors got in. Now I imagine the reason you ask is because a certain Grey Knights character uses one. This is a special circumstance. The daemon sword used by Castellan Crowe is unique in that it is indestructible. That is probably the only reason it wasn't destroyed outright. They probably decided that if they couldn't destroy it they would use it. This is a job that only one who is pure beyond belief could fulfill without being corrupted. Crowe is one of the purest of the pure so if any one could wield it, he would be the best choice. No lowly inquisitor could just pick up a daemon sword and just go to town with it. They'd undoubtedly fall to chaos. Even if your inquisitor was as pure as Crowe, and I guarantee he's not, it would still be heresy and he would be executed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 From a fluff standpoint, possession of a daemon weapon would be heresy of the highest degree. Just look at how much trouble the Relictors got in. Now I imagine the reason you ask is because a certain Grey Knights character uses one. This is a special circumstance. The daemon sword used by Castellan Crowe is unique in that it is indestructible. That is probably the only reason it wasn't destroyed outright. They probably decided that if they couldn't destroy it they would use it. This is a job that only one who is pure beyond belief could fulfill without being corrupted. Crowe is one of the purest of the pure so if any one could wield it, he would be the best choice. No lowly inquisitor could just pick up a daemon sword and just go to town with it. They'd undoubtedly fall to chaos. Even if your inquisitor was as pure as Crowe, and I guarantee he's not, it would still be heresy and he would be executed. Sorry mate the Daemonblade is actually a piece of Wargear in the Grey Knights codex that can be taken by Inquisitors (obviously the radical side!). In the codex those in Terminator Armour cant take it. The answer to the question, however bland it may seem is they just cant. Thems the rules. Dont understand it personally as a sword is a sword but hey ho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidoneus Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm pretty sure he's asking because an inquisitor who has not upgraded to termy armour can take one. :D The answer is that it's a two-handed weapon. I think. That would make sense. I'm sure someone will immediately come back with a counterexample, but off the top of my head, I can't think of any other time a model in termy armour can wield a two-handed CC weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSon Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Wow a daemonblade as an official piece of Grey Knights equipment? What is this Imperium coming too? haha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeh Malleus Inq with TDA can only have a Nemesis Daemon Hammer as his CC weapon. That is all. TDA Inquisitors must not be able to hold any other weapon!! Maybe its the dramatic pose of smiting daemons. "Smite me almighty smiter" Had to :D Just take a PA armoured guy with the Daemonblade if possible. Its only 48 points! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm pretty sure he's asking because an inquisitor who has not upgraded to termy armour can take one. ;) Probably an oversight, but we'll see. In Space Wolves codex the Wolf Lord and Wolf Guard Battle Leader couldn't take a Frost Blade when they upgraded to TDA, but this quickly got fixed with the publication of the Errata. I have a feeling that there will be quite a lot to Errata and to answer in the FAQ section for our new codex. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Also, you're misspelling in the title made my think of Damon Wayans, which then reminded me of the movie Blankman. It made me think of Matt Damon, who I then envisioned someone wielding as if he were a weapon. It was pretty glorious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Because of the rules? Also, you're misspelling in the title made my think of Damon Wayans, which then reminded me of the movie Blankman. sorry typo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It is a touch odd to have Terminator Inquisitors limited to only a hammer; it makes sense to have a hammer as the default weapon for the Ordo Malleus, but I don't see any reason an Inquisitor couldn't use another weapon, regardless of his armor. Also, for what fluff from the RPGs is worth, the Radical's Handbook does have an Inquisitor who wears Terminator Armor and uses a Daemon Weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Just a quick thought but when an Inquisitor has the ability to take TDA or PA does that mean theyve been fitted with the Black Carapace and any other appropriate organs etc in order to pilot one? Essentially they are a marine then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dremen Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It wouldnt be a Stretch for an Inquisitor to have a Black Carapace, but that Hardly makes them a Marine. Its the combination of all of the organs plus the training plus the mentality that makes a Marine what he is. Above Humans? Yes. Above the Exceptional? Yes. But a Marine? No. As for a logical reason for no Daemon Weapon for TDA (rules aside) perhaps its that the Inquisitor is in constant mental battle with the weapons and using it with so much armor in between mutes his mind in said fight. AKA the Layers of armor, while providing physical protection, dull his mental battle leaving him open to possession. It may be a stretch but its all I got at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyoz Devastrius Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Just a quick thought but when an Inquisitor has the ability to take TDA or PA does that mean theyve been fitted with the Black Carapace and any other appropriate organs etc in order to pilot one? Essentially they are a marine then? Sisters of Battle and Adeptus Mechanicus Enginseers are not implanted with Black Carapace, yet they wear Power Armour. There are many diferent kinds of PA - only the Marine one needs the Carapace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That said, in Daemonifuge book II, Inquisitor Gideon masquerades as a Black Templar- and wears "ordinary" Marine power armour. Maybe some Marines join the Inquisition under the right circumstances? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamrodMC Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'd sooner believe that a few inquisitors have the resources to have Black Carapaces implanted under the right circumstances. Or have artificers capable of counterfeiting Astartes power armour, counterfeits which don't need the Black Carapace. Marines joining the Inquisition sounds like bad fan fiction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 No, they don't need the Black Carapace to use Power Armour. But it just means that they do not have access to the full spectrum of systems within Astartes armour. And a human can not get a Black Carapace. But anything can apparently happen in Black Library books... *sighs* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The Black Carapace is really what makes a marine a marine and turns his armour into a second skin... now it might be possible for a normal human to control astartes power armour (although how would they fit?) but they wouldn't be able to control it in the same way as one of the astartes. You however can get power armour for normal humans but it is normally not as good as astartes power armour (although if you have the dosh and the connections... you can get artificer armour :)) and it still acts like armour rather than a second skin... Another example of what I'm talking about is that power armour can apparently interface with the controls of a rhino and gives more controls and it is mentioned in one of the enforcer books that the Sisters of Battle can drive rhinos in a way the Adeptus Arbites can't because the Sisters wear power armour which gives them more control... it isn't the same thing but it gives you an idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Think of it this way, would the Grey Knights hand over relics such as Terminator armour (well, they aren't really relics to them, due to how numerous the GK suits are) to Radical scum? Anyone pure enough of purpose to be allowed TDA, would be above using Daemonic weaponry against their own kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'd sooner believe that a few inquisitors have the resources to have Black Carapaces implanted under the right circumstances. Or have artificers capable of counterfeiting Astartes power armour, counterfeits which don't need the Black Carapace. Marines joining the Inquisition sounds like bad fan fiction. We already know Marines join the Deathwatch- and some do so on a permanent basis. So what's wrong with the idea of the Inquisition enrolling a marine from, say, a dying chapter- if they think he has the right skillset? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The inquisition can call upon any forces of the imperium to aid them. This includes marines and there are numerous examples of them doing so Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The problem being that this "marine" is referred to as Inquisitor Gideon- so if the Inquisition had called upon him for aid, they must have later conferred on him Inquisitorial rank. Or, he's just in disguise- but that still raises the question of how Black Templars are fooled into believing he's a real marine and one of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2707717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Because of the rules? Also, you're misspelling in the title made my think of Damon Wayans, which then reminded me of the movie Blankman. sorry typo It's okay, when Fred was busting you for misspelling "Daemon", he misspelled "your". V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2708592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 In the Space Marine story Ian Watson mentions that recruits over 18 can be implanted with the Marine organs and will become puissant men, but won't gain the full size and strength of a Marine recruited at 14. The original Dark Angels did that with the members of the Order who wanted to fight alongside Lion El Johnson. The Inquisition may indeed have members who possess Marine implants but don't have the size of Marines. That would make them more useful in an infiltration role, while still having sufficient strength and durability to have a surprising advantage in a fight along with the ability to interface with suits of power and terminator armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2708604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barjack Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The war gear exchange states that he must exchange his bolt pistol or chain sword to get a deamon sword bt he gives those up in exchange for terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226096-damon-sword/#findComment-2708835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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