Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Read the thread before replying. I am not asking whether or not Canis' wolf claws rend. I am not playing it this way. I am not playing it this way. I AM NOT PLAYING IT THIS WAY!!! So last night I was reading up some Prospero Burns again for fun and good times. I started to think about TWM, TWC, and finally focused on Canis. Oh Canis my friend how weak/weird you seem to me. Canis' rules specifically include Rending. It is plain as day in his Special Rules listing. Of course it smacks right into the other rule stating that special close combat weapons and Rending do not combine which is then later reinforced by the FAQ that goes ahead and actually calls Canis' out by name. Now here is my question, why shouldn't Canis have the only set of Rending Wolf Claws allowed? I ended up grabbing some dice last night and started looking at rear armor: RA 10: Canis is already STR 5 due to being on Fangir. His armor penetration rolls glance on rolls of 5 and penetrate on rolls of 6. Rending Wolf Claws make no difference here!!! RA 11: 6 would normally only be able to glance but with Rending Wolf Claws, will penetrate now on d3 roll. RA 12: 6 Rending would be needed with a d3 roll of 1 or 2 to glance, anything higher penetrates. RA 13: 6 Rending would be needed with a d3 roll of 3 or 4 to glance, anything higher penetrates. RA 14: 6 Rending would be needed with only the chance of glancing on 5 or 6. I don't see how this is unbalanced at all. I am trying to think how Rending Wolf Claws would affect fighting in close combat, but cannot see anything since they are already power weapons and he is already STR 5 so the auto wound on a 6 would already wound anything in game as it is. Right now we have Canis scratching his initials into any armor with AV12 or higher with his Wolf Claws despite him specifically having Rending in his rules. I am going to do some more research including some playtesting and submit a package to GW Games Development in a clear cut professional manner to see if I can get a response. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Hammerhand Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Read the FAQ man it's all in there. Canis doesn't have rending... oh wait <_< jk That's actually something that's been bugging me as well. Thing is, our codex is full of these stupid small oversights that GW hasn't fixed. No extra armour for Bjorn? WG can't join sky claws even though they can get jump packs and so forth. There are a couple of other things but I've caught a cold and I gotta go to uni in five minutes so calling what I do "thinking" is pushing it a little at the moment. I hope you will get through to them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yea, this is just really like a pet peeve project for me with what I think was a complete rush call on the FAQ without thinking anything out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 tyranids have a similar silly rule. Old one eye has crushing claws that make the model strike as I 1 all the time, it also has the living batteering ram that increases the I of the model by 2 when it charges... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Personally, I think Canis should be an exception and be allowed to rend with his claws. I think that was a bad ruling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 i think shrike of the raven guard has rending lightning claws. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I believe that Fangir is the one with Rending and since the Codex states that Canis' profile reflects the fact the is mounted upon the giant wolf, this is how he gets the rending ability. At least this is what makes sense in my head... End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 i think shrike of the raven guard has rending lightning claws. WLK Yep, Shrike has Rending Lightning Claws. It was a bad ruling in a FAQ, taking away a unit's special rule, when it wasn't necessary (or justified). Of course, FAQs are just GWs own House Rules... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Well, I aim to fix it. Stay tuned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik84 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I believe that Fangir is the one with Rending and since the Codex states that Canis' profile reflects the fact the is mounted upon the giant wolf, this is how he gets the rending ability. At least this is what makes sense in my head... End of Line if thats the case, why is it not writen like the TWC rules, reanding (close combat only). he has rending there and he is a SC, so why cant he have rending claws, its not a game breaker its just who ever writes the FAQ's been a nab and not reading the codex, but then im sure the questions they put in the FAQ are never real questions anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Unfortunately every single question I have seen in the SW FAQ has been asked at some point at my LGS. That said. Canis is a special character, he should have rending. As it is, imo, he is an overpriced WGBL that makes a fast attack slot that can't hold objectives troops, not really the most stellar ability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2708925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I believe that Fangir is the one with Rending and since the Codex states that Canis' profile reflects the fact the is mounted upon the giant wolf, this is how he gets the rending ability. At least this is what makes sense in my head... End of Line if thats the case, why is it not writen like the TWC rules, reanding (close combat only). he has rending there and he is a SC, so why cant he have rending claws, its not a game breaker its just who ever writes the FAQ's been a nab and not reading the codex, but then im sure the questions they put in the FAQ are never real questions anyway. Last time I looked Canis has a Wolf Claw on one hand, and a Wolf Claw on the other. Makes sense to me that without a ranged weapon it would be implied that his rending would occur in close combat only. But like the rest of you, I too often question GW when instances such as this come about. I was merely saying that for me, in my head, Fangir gives the rending. When it comes down to it however, I just wish he had an invulnerable save. Then I'd consider playing him, as opposed to looking at the forty dollar model I bought and never use... End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2709140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 An invuln, or take away the IC status and give him stubborn. That way when the wolves die in droves they don't insta gib him in combat so he can be escorted off the board and he could actually be effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226195-canis/#findComment-2709165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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