Gaz1858 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Quick query about the Shield Breaker round that Vinidicare has. The model loses its Inv save for the rest of the game, how would this affect the big mek? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If the Big Med has a Cybork Body, then the Shield Breaker would negate it. Otherwise, it would have no effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2708697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Boo, was wondering if there was a way to get rid of that annoying force field! Ok still on the topic of Big Meks gave me an idea, their forcefield gives vehicles a 4+ cover save. Could our Libbies Shrouding do the same? The rules say that if not in cover the unit gets a 6+ cover save. Now if their a vehicle what save do they get? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2708702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Boo, was wondering if there was a way to get rid of that annoying force field! Ok still on the topic of Big Meks gave me an idea, their forcefield gives vehicles a 4+ cover save. Could our Libbies Shrouding do the same? The rules say that if not in cover the unit gets a 6+ cover save. Now if their a vehicle what save do they get? The Kustom Force Field is a cover save, not an invulnerable save, so a Shield Breaker does nothing. Vehicles are handled just like any other unit with shrouding; 6+ if they're not in cover, +1 to their cover save if they are in cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2708718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah Vindicare only breaks Iron Halos and the like, it needs to be an actual invul save and it needs to be from items or wargear (so natural invul on Daemons for example can't be nullified by Shieldbreaker). On the plus side, hit that Big Mek with a turbo-penetrator to the face and laugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2708810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraSummers Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 To add to the discussion about the big mek...he gives infantry an Inv (5+) not cover. Vehicles count as "obscured" which in 5th means 4+ cover... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2708974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 To add to the discussion about the big mek...he gives infantry an Inv (5+) not cover. Vehicles count as "obscured" which in 5th means 4+ cover.. Thats kinda my point. The power says it gives friendly units a cover save, however vehicles dont get cover saves, they get the obscured rule. So if an a Libby uses this to cover a vehicle what benefit will it have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2710773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 To add to the discussion about the big mek...he gives infantry an Inv (5+) not cover. Vehicles count as "obscured" which in 5th means 4+ cover.. The Big Mek's Kustom Force Field gives infantry a cover save, not an invulnerable save (Page 34, Ork Codex). Thats kinda my point. The power says it gives friendly units a cover save, however vehicles dont get cover saves, they get the obscured rule. So if an a Libby uses this to cover a vehicle what benefit will it have? Vehicles do get cover saves; the obscured rule you reference specifically and repeatedly refers to them as receiving cover saves (page 62, BRB). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2710818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberame Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 The shrouding will give your vehicles out in the open a 6+ cover save, just like the Blood angels give their vehicles a 5+ cover save with shield of sanguinius. The only reason why the orks vehicles are obscured is because it specifically states it so under the kustom force field description in the ork codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2711171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplainmeliadus Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 If a Librarian is in a stormraven that moves flat out, can he cast Shrouding on it to make it a 3+ cover? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2711366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 If a Librarian is in a stormraven that moves flat out, can he cast Shrouding on it to make it a 3+ cover? Yes. Moving flat out gives a 4+ cover save, and the Stealth USR improves all cover saves by 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2711545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Cheers guys thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226228-shield-breaker/#findComment-2711601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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