GK Codex and Space Wolves

[Jonny Wolf]

I'm a die hard Space Wolf. However I want to play the new GK codex...but, I don't want to play GK. Here we go...

 

Following the conclusion for the first War for Armegeddon, the Great Wolf and the Grey Knights held a secret council. It was decreed that a specialized force of Rune warriors would be created under the guidance of the Grey Knights and the most senior of Rune Priests.

 

What came about was a secret company of Space Wolves created solely for the purposes of combating Daemons and other perils of the warp. This company, guided by Rune Priests with the training of a handful of Grey Knights are the Wolf Knights (or Rune Knights...haven't decided yet).

 

Thoughts?

 

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Bottom line:

 

1. I want to put a blood claw in the gun turret on a storm raven with the window open

2. I want to wolfify a Dread Knight.

3. I LOVE SPACE WOLVES!!

 

Brother JonnyWolf

[yowsaman]

wy do people alway's want to play with everything or have the best of everything.

 

arent there options enough in the 40k universe......

 

as for your idea.. if you want to do it go for it. i would nog just be mixing up the rules of both codexes and take the best out of both. if it's just for the models.. nice idea. :lol:

 

cheers

[kiwitexansfan]

You can fluff justify almost anything.

 

 

I'm leaning towards adding some counts as Grey Knights into my normal Inquisition only force. I don't want to play Grey Knights as such and want to keep building the fluff of my DIY chapter who works with my Inquisitor Lord.

 

Hence the 'Grey Knights' will not be Grey Knights, they will be a special conclave of the Librarium.

 

For me it works because they are all psykers and would be useful and interested in working with an inquisitor.

[hmk17]

For the love of...

 

Stop trying to justify playing a "Count As" army with fan-fluff. If you want to play Codex: Grey Knights, then play it. Use whatever models you want, just WYSIWYG them for your opponent and everyone is cool.

 

But PLEASE everyone, stop with the "and here's why my X is actually Y". This tearing and shredding of fluff is enough to make even Matt Ward cringe. If you just want a rules set, go for it and be proud, but stop trying to hide behind bad fan-fiction.

 

Repeat after me:

 

"If I do not like an Army's fluff, that doesn't mean I have to make stories so that others will approve of my using its Codex."

[Grimtooth]

For the love of...

 

Stop trying to justify playing a "Count As" army with fan-fluff. If you want to play Codex: Grey Knights, then play it. Use whatever models you want, just WYSIWYG them for your opponent and everyone is cool.

 

But PLEASE everyone, stop with the "and here's why my X is actually Y". This tearing and shredding of fluff is enough to make even Matt Ward cringe. If you just want a rules set, go for it and be proud, but stop trying to hide behind bad fan-fiction.

 

Repeat after me:

 

"If I do not like an Army's fluff, that doesn't mean I have to make stories so that others will approve of my using its Codex."

 

First, nobody could write fluff as bad as Matt Ward.

 

And nothing wrong with trying to justify, but there is really no need. I am going to wolf up some GK box sets with some SW box sets to make up a rune priest force as a side story after the Battle of the Fang. Do I need to justify? No, but I like to write up little fluff stories in my blog for some of my models/units. Maybe Jonny is just looking for opinions on his fluff.

[Jonny Wolf]

For the love of...

 

Stop trying to justify playing a "Count As" army with fan-fluff. If you want to play Codex: Grey Knights, then play it. Use whatever models you want, just WYSIWYG them for your opponent and everyone is cool.

 

But PLEASE everyone, stop with the "and here's why my X is actually Y". This tearing and shredding of fluff is enough to make even Matt Ward cringe. If you just want a rules set, go for it and be proud, but stop trying to hide behind bad fan-fiction.

 

Repeat after me:

 

"If I do not like an Army's fluff, that doesn't mean I have to make stories so that others will approve of my using its Codex."

 

First, nobody could write fluff as bad as Matt Ward.

 

And nothing wrong with trying to justify, but there is really no need. I am going to wolf up some GK box sets with some SW box sets to make up a rune priest force as a side story after the Battle of the Fang. Do I need to justify? No, but I like to write up little fluff stories in my blog for some of my models/units. Maybe Jonny is just looking for opinions on his fluff.

 

Thanks Brother.

[Guest Drunk Guardian]

This hobby costs an arm and a leg and your newborn... and a fortune on top of that!

 

You should do whatever's going to give you the most enjoyment out of it, so long as it isn't infringing on your opponents fun too. :(

 

Oh, and I like the fluff you came up with!

[hmk17]

True... but it just gets tiring to see it every codex and posts that seem to be seeking approval of the real fans of that army's fluff.

 

There is a guy I know that shows up for only tournaments where I play. He plays Black Templars... or should I say used to. (Honestly, he might have gone back since the PDF update. Haven't seen him since, but they could have Dark Lances by now...) But I have seen BT Space Wolves Thunderwolf spam and BT Sanguinary Guard armies. He takes offense at the term "Count As" and creates elaborate tales of how the Black Templars gained X for their army. He even got into it with a TO because "Count As X" was listed next to his army name.

 

So when I see fan-made justification of using a rule set... it irks me.

[Jonny Wolf]

:P

[Grimtooth]

True... but it just gets tiring to see it every codex and posts that seem to be seeking approval of the real fans of that army's fluff.

 

There is a guy I know that shows up for only tournaments where I play. He plays Black Templars... or should I say used to. (Honestly, he might have gone back since the PDF update. Haven't seen him since, but they could have Dark Lances by now...) But I have seen BT Space Wolves Thunderwolf spam and BT Sanguinary Guard armies. He takes offense at the term "Count As" and creates elaborate tales of how the Black Templars gained X for their army. He even got into it with a TO because "Count As X" was listed next to his army name.

 

So when I see fan-made justification of using a rule set... it irks me.

 

Yea, I used to have a guy a long time ago that one day would show up with his "Space Wolves" army, complete with the WG heavy weapon spam we used to be able to do and then the following weeks it would become "Salamanders" Hammernators and "Black Templar" chaplain led LC squads. Granted he would never even try to tell a story, he would just flat out want to play the flavor of the month army list.

 

The real issue is that most people really like their primary army to the point that when they want to play another army, they want to see said army as a reflection of their favorite army, UltraWolves, Blood Wolves, Black Wolves, Grey Wolves, etc, etc. Of course when the new army comes out, there are always threads that make the rounds on the forums putting forth exactly those things. I don't think it is so much as to insult the players who are the primary fans of the new army, but you have to realize that when the army is made, it will be played at LGS.

 

As I mentioned, probably just trying to get a feel for how people would react when they see a wolfed-up Grey Knight army before he converts and puts it on a table at a local game shop.

[Joasht]

I'm a fan of count-as, but I'm personally a little strict on myself as if I'm doing a count-as myself, I'll either do it for my DIY chapter provided its even fluffy by my own fluff, or if its based on an official chapter, only if its "justifiable" fluff-wise without any actual alternations to the existing fluff. For example, if someone wanted to do a Night Lords army with the BA codex due to the great number of Assault Marines the BA codex can field, I think thats an awesome idea.

 

However, that does mean I'm not a fan of making up unofficial fluff for official chapters to justify a counts-as. Not only do you have to endlessly explain to your opponents what they are, but you would also probably be faced with others who hate counts-as armies, those who hate your fluff justifications, those who will think you are being too cheap to actually buy a proper army, and a whole bunch of other people who won't approve of you for many other reasons.

 

All that said, I'd play against anything that counts-as anything (my rules are only applicable to myself, as in, if I did the count-as myself), as long as they are clearly represented. So if you take a whole bunch of Ultramarine Tacticals, and tell me their bolters are actually "artificer bolters that shoot like stormbolters" and that they are some sort of psychic Ultramarine army with hidden "force daggers" on their belts, you *will* get a stare from me.

 

But of course, if its a temporary thing (e.g. proxy just to try the GKs out) then I'd be fine with that.

[Panda_]

OP Double post with this one ?

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...t&p=2709013

 

This is exactly like Night Lords wanting to use BA.

This is exactly like CSM wanting to use SW.

This is exactly like using BA for Ultramarines (claiming those blues are BA's successors).

 

It's up to your opponents.

[Gree]

As a coversion project, go for it.

 

Fluffwise it would never work though. The new Codex emphaises just how secretive the GK are. We have multiple occasions of them mindwiping other Astartes after fighting daemons. In fact there is a section of the Grey Knights hunting down and executing the Guardsmen that fought at Armageddon, simply to protect the existance of the Grey Knights.

 

That fact alone would probably sour relations with the Wolves.

[Brovius]

True... but it just gets tiring to see it every codex and posts that seem to be seeking approval of the real fans of that army's fluff.

 

There is a guy I know that shows up for only tournaments where I play. He plays Black Templars... or should I say used to. (Honestly, he might have gone back since the PDF update. Haven't seen him since, but they could have Dark Lances by now...) But I have seen BT Space Wolves Thunderwolf spam and BT Sanguinary Guard armies. He takes offense at the term "Count As" and creates elaborate tales of how the Black Templars gained X for their army. He even got into it with a TO because "Count As X" was listed next to his army name.

 

So when I see fan-made justification of using a rule set... it irks me.

 

Someone will kick him in the genitals if he tries to 'counts as' Grey Knights, I can tell you that much

[Decoy]

Odd, I was thinking of doing a Rainbow Warriors army using the GK dex. I'm particularly fond of how the Dreadknight can be posed doing the Leo Strut. Imagine that in pink or purple. :P

 

Jonny, do what ya want, mate. Haters gonna hate no matter how you roll. Just have fun with -your- army, and if anyone tells you otherwise, tell 'em to :) right the ;) off, then give 'em a kick to the nards. Don't let some uptight :cuss get in the way of you havin' fun using Gray Knights models.

[SamaNagol]

You can do whatever you like as long as everything WYSIWYG. But if I ever saw it I would sigh inwardly and roll my eyes, then play you as normal.

 

Just please don't regale everyone with your 'fluff' when you play unless asked. Most people won't be interested.

[Warsmith Aznable]

This is exactly like Night Lords wanting to use BA.

This is exactly like CSM wanting to use SW.

 

Not really....

 

Many CSM players feel that our codex doesn't represent the fluff, especially when it comes to the individual nature of the Legions. The current C:CSM has reduced an incredibly bizarre and diverse group of evil freaks into "Black Legion with a different paint job" for EVERY CSM unit. Which frustrates the crud out of people who play CSM because they love what makes a particular Legion or warband strange and unique.

 

What OP is doing is writing new fluff to justify the codex he wants.

 

I mean, I don't care either way. You want to counts-as and have a DIY reason? Go for it. Opinion wise I think the stated fluff description is more than necessary with the meeting with the Grey Knights and all that. They're Space Wolves and they don't need permission or justification, right? Just say a Rune Priest wound up leading a Great Company and took it in a "wyrd" direction.