G.M. Valens Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I did not see a topic on this already so I thought I would bring it up. Upon reading senoir Corteaz's rules again I noticed something that is going to mess some people up and cause a few arguments. The "I've been expecting you" rule where he gets a free shooting attack only applies vs units entering from "reserves". So Necron veil or SM Gateway would not trigger this effect. This is both a negative and a positive because it also means that it works on units that are outflanking. The debate comes in with what is considered arriving from reserves? Is the first wave of droppod assault immune to Corteaz? What about the first wave of Daemon deployment? What about Mordrak? IMO it seems that drop pods would be immune to Corteaz because they are not actually "placed in reserve" I also think that Mordrak could be countered because it says that "if he deploys via deep strike" and when you set a unit up for deep strike you are placing him in reserve. As for the Daemons I don't know the exact wording from their dex but I bet it is similar to drop pods. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I may be wrong but anything that isnt deployed on the table before the beginning of the game is held in reserve. So all those units that arent there to begin with will be targetable. Might be wrong but makes sense to me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2711613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherWasted Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Drop Pods are held in reserve by definition. Coteaz's unit may make the shooting attempt on these units. The only exception would be the compulsory deployment of Space Wolf Drop Pods; those that are deployed first turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2711657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmande Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Even if it wasn't as good as some people thought, his Mystic-esque ability isn't why people take him between being (relatively) cheap, bringing a few GK-unique psychic powers, making Henchmen troops, Seize the Initiative shenanigans, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2711686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Drop Pods are held in reserve by definition. Coteaz's unit may make the shooting attempt on these units. The only exception would be the compulsory deployment of Space Wolf Drop Pods; those that are deployed first turn. Please go read page 95 of the rulebook. "If you wish to use this 'deep strike' option, then units in question must begin the game in reserve." That pretty much clears that up. : spelling error edit : Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2711710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M. Valens Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Drop Pods are held in reserve by definition. Coteaz's unit may make the shooting attempt on these units. The only exception would be the compulsory deployment of Space Wolf Drop Pods; those that are deployed first turn. Please go read page 95 of the rulebook. "If you wish to use this 'deep strike' option, then units in question must begin the game in reserve." That pretty much clears that up. : spelling error edit : Two points here. First, all drop pods have compulsory deployment not just space wolf. Second, if you read the entire section on Pg. 95 is goes on to say that you "roll for the arrival of these units as specified in the rules for reserves and deploy them as follows." The question is whether the drop pod assaulting pods are actually in "reserve". These are my points for say that they are not. 1) Drop pods do not have the "deep strike" rule. They have the drop pod assault rule. 2) The drop pod assault rule is compulsory and not optional. 3) The reserve rules clearly say that units in reserve do not arrive until the 2nd turn. 4) In the Dawn of war mission. Units that are not deployed but still arrive first turn are not considered to be reserves. And here is another question. Forget the first turn pods for a moment and lets think about the later turn ones. Who does Corteaz get to shoot? the pod or the troops or both and when? IMO he'd get to shoot at the pod before it deploys troops though I know there are plenty of people who say that he can shoot at either since the marines are forced to deploy because of the pod rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2711896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 First line of every codex concerning drop pods is this : " Drop Pods always enter play using the Deep Strike rules from the Mission Special Rules section of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. " and the last line of the entry states : " A unit that Deep Strikes Via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." That answers all of your questions, and as to the units in side...it is even stated in the codex that the unit is deep striking as well as the drop pod. and that was taken from the Pound Puppy codex, and checked against other Codexs ( <--what is the proper word for this? ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226429-bypassing-corteaz/#findComment-2712065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.