Reinforced Aegis

[Sepiroth]

The wording for the reinforced aegis is a bit different….

 

 

“Psychic tests penalties caused by The Aegis are increased to -4 if the target of the psychic power is within 12” of the dreadnought…”

It doesn’t specify that the target must be a GK unit with aegis. So If you have, lets say, a farseer casting fortune on himself or a unit within 12” it would be at -4.

 

Unless Im reading this wrong?

 

 

also does this stack if you have 2 dreads close to eachother for a -8? Probably not, but just wanted to see what you guys think.

[Whitefireinferno]

It would not work on fortune the Aegis only works if it is the target or part of the target I believe

[Iron Father Rik]

It would not work on fortune the Aegis only works if it is the target or part of the target I believe

 

No. By my reading of the rule, Sepiroth is right. It merely states that the target of the power has to be within 12" of the Dreadnought, or the Dreadnought itself. It does not state that the target must be a Grey Knights unit.

[Aeterni]

This was also to encourage people to use the Dreadknight as I'm told. Yes, any enemy casting a psychic power within 12" of the Dreadknight will suffer a -4 to his LD. Think of the Dreadknight as something that "augments" the ability of the Aegis.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Dreadnoughts have reinforced aegis don't remember seeing it on Dreadknights. (away from codex atm)

[Whitefireinferno]

and I think you need to go read page 21 of your codex and learn to rulez

[Iron Father Rik]

and I think you need to go read page 21 of your codex and learn to rulez

 

"Rulez", despite not being a word itself, is not a verb.

[Whitefireinferno]

TBH IDC but did you go read page 21 to find out your wrong?

 

 

Okay to put it better for the reinforced aegis to work it the aegis must work to start with if it is not targeting either of the units its not getting any negitives.

[Sepiroth]

Im refering to the reinforced aegis not the normal one for all the GK units.

 

The definition for this piece of gear was expanded to effect units within 12" of the dread and doesnt specify that it should be a gk unit. Pg 35

 

 

'....if the target of the psychic power is within 12” of the dreadnought..."

[Whitefireinferno]

Yes FINE I will quote it.

 

Reinforced Aegis:Psychic test leadership penalties caused by THE AEGIS are increased to -4 if the target of the Psychic power is within 12" of the dreadnought (or is the Dreadnought itself).

 

Its not a blanket -4 to all psychic test within 12" it still has to meet the requirement of setting off the Regular Aegis.

[Sepiroth]

Yes dude, I’ve quoted the entry too.

 

Soooooo, I’ll try again.

 

 

“Psychic test leadership penalties caused by THE AEGIS”

 

Ok, Ive got it the same as you, you use the Aegis rules…great no prob

 

“are increased to -4 if the target of the Psychic power is within 12" of the dreadnought (or is the Dreadnought itself).”

 

Now, over and above the normal rules for the Aegis, it will also drop your ld-4 (Instead of the 1 that it does in the normal entry) and this is if a target (and it doesn’t specify that it should be a GK unit like in the normal entry so is applicable to any unit)of the psychic power is within 12” of the dread.

 

Im just justifying my thinking here, so no need to go ballistic. It just needs clarity.

[Gentlemanloser]

There is no period or comma. It's one statement.

 

If the Aegis triggers, instead of being a -1 penalty, it's a -4 penalty. And this increased effect occurs in a 12" bubble aorund the Dread.

 

But it needs to be triggered first.

[Whitefireinferno]

but the rule really is clear compared to a few issues with the codex it needs X to use Y now fortune(or similar) does not activate X so Y is useless for it.

[antique_nova]

am i the only one seeing that the rule the ld is only increased to -4. It says increased not added. so you can never get higher than a -4 ld modifier with reinforced aegis and anything else.

thanks

antique_nova

[Valerian]

am i the only one seeing that the rule the ld is only increased to -4. It says increased not added. so you can never get higher than a -4 ld modifier with reinforced aegis and anything else.

thanks

antique_nova

 

That is correct; this ability doesn't stack, it will just get the enemy psyker to a -4 Ld penalty on psychic tests, at the most.

 

Valerian

[Spacefrisian]

Does it contain the same stipulation as shadows in the warp? (just curious)

[DV8]

To put quite bluntly Sepiroth, you're wrong, and there's no amount of arguing that you can try to disprove that fact.

 

As Whitefireinferno kindly quoted:

 

Reinforced Aegis: Psychic test leadership penalties caused by THE AEGIS are increased to -4 if the target of the Psychic power is within 12" of the dreadnought (or is the Dreadnought itself).

 

It is one statement, not separate. So the increased -4 modifier within 12" will apply only if The Aegis is properly triggered. In order for The Aegis to be triggered, a Grey Knight unit must be made the target of an enemy psychic power. Thus, a Dreadnought's Reinforced Aegis is only triggered if itself, or a friendly Grey Knight unit within 12" is made the direct target of an enemy psychic power.

 

It's in a similar vein to Nemesis Force Weapons. They act as Force Weapons, but new rules are introduced as "additions" that modify the way the original rule in question (that of Force Weapons) behaves.

 

@Spacefrisian.

 

Shadows in the Warp works quite differently, as it simply forces enemy psykers within 12" to roll 3D6 instead of the normal 2D6 when casting psychic powers (it doesn't require that a target be chosen). A Rune Priest casting Stormcaller within 12" of SitW, for example, would have to roll 3D6. So would a Grey Knight Librarian casting Quicksilver, or Might of Titans, etc etc.

 

 

DV8

[Lord Ragnarok]

To put quite bluntly Sepiroth, you're wrong, and there's no amount of arguing that you can try to disprove that fact.

 

As Whitefireinferno kindly quoted:

 

Reinforced Aegis: Psychic test leadership penalties caused by THE AEGIS are increased to -4 if the target of the Psychic power is within 12" of the dreadnought (or is the Dreadnought itself).

 

It is one statement, not separate. So the increased -4 modifier within 12" will apply only if The Aegis is properly triggered. In order for The Aegis to be triggered, a Grey Knight unit must be made the target of an enemy psychic power. Thus, a Dreadnought's Reinforced Aegis is only triggered if itself, or a friendly Grey Knight unit within 12" is made the direct target of an enemy psychic power.

 

It's in a similar vein to Nemesis Force Weapons. They act as Force Weapons, but new rules are introduced as "additions" that modify the way the original rule in question (that of Force Weapons) behaves.

 

@Spacefrisian.

 

Shadows in the Warp works quite differently, as it simply forces enemy psykers within 12" to roll 3D6 instead of the normal 2D6 when casting psychic powers (it doesn't require that a target be chosen). A Rune Priest casting Stormcaller within 12" of SitW, for example, would have to roll 3D6. So would a Grey Knight Librarian casting Quicksilver, or Might of Titans, etc etc.

 

 

DV8

 

Absolutely agreed with how Reinforced Aegis is supposed to work. I see no room for diversion.